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    Quote Originally Posted by substitute View Post
    Thank you Uber, I was just about to sigh and resign myself to the fact that yet again, any discussion about religion and belief gets polarized into total atheists versus dogmatic fundamentalist Bible thumpers!! Oh, and yet again nobody seems to think that MBTI applies to anyone outside of America!
    Well, don't get me wrong, I'm not a Christian. I'm just too cynical to be an avid Christ follower, but I don't necessarily disrespect the people who are. But I also highly doubt that the scientific method is the only possible explanation of the world's phenomenons. Truthfully, I think science is often a religion in of itself. Creationism can also be logically possible from a certain point of view. I tend to think of science as the official religion of academia. But the point is that both the Bible and science have a certain amount of truth but also a certain amount of speculation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mort Belfry View Post
    Does anyone know what function it is that has primary emphasis on religion? Be it Ne, Ni, Si or Fe?
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    Or does religion have nothing to do with individual functions and includes all? Even Pascal's wager smacks of a retarded Ti.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    It does seem accurate -- Ti analyzes everything, but INTPs see possibilities, while ISTPs demand more concrete evidence of things.

    It's just interesting, though, that Ti seems the least likely function to lead to Christianity. Ti determines the nature of things. It looks at what is, senses its nature, defines the pieces. It seems that God is least obvious when one examines the nature of evidence, and more and more likely the more one looks at other sorts of criteria.


    Interesting. I would say my use of Ti gets put to use quite often and has been a great aid in my understand and confidence in my faith.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Argus2968 View Post
    Interesting. I would say my use of Ti gets put to use quite often and has been a great aid in my understand and confidence in my faith.
    I think it depends on the data stream you have coming in and what information you are using as "evidence." Even if our Ti functions would be comparable in quality, our conclusions would be different. That's been my experience in my own life and in listening to other Ti-strong people on this forum, on INTPf, and other places.

    My point is that Ti demands it all hang together coherently ... it's a bull detector, and it's major flaw is in the information that is fed into it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uberfuhrer View Post
    Well, don't get me wrong, I'm not a Christian. I'm just too cynical to be an avid Christ follower, but I don't necessarily disrespect the people who are. But I also highly doubt that the scientific method is the only possible explanation of the world's phenomenons. Truthfully, I think science is often a religion in of itself. Creationism can also be logically possible from a certain point of view. I tend to think of science as the official religion of academia. But the point is that both the Bible and science have a certain amount of truth but also a certain amount of speculation.
    Ah, I didn't see this reply way back when... but thanks for that Uber, that's the attitude I thought I perceived and which I was relieved to see displayed! It shows a truly open mind, which is quite rare to encounter in these types of discussions, which tend to end up being nothing but each side's futile attempt to convert the other, as well as the extreme polarization that I described before.
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    Quote Originally Posted by substitute View Post
    Ah, I didn't see this reply way back when... but thanks for that Uber, that's the attitude I thought I perceived and which I was relieved to see displayed! It shows a truly open mind, which is quite rare to encounter in these types of discussions, which tend to end up being nothing but each side's futile attempt to convert the other, as well as the extreme polarization that I described before.
    Okay so I didn't go through every page of this thread so I may be beating a dead horse here but this is what I don't understand: Why this occurs. It just makes both sides seem equally fanatical and -- in my opinion -- unappealing.

    Maybe I'm just crazier'n a sack of ferrets but it seems that when it comes to these extremes, both sides end up contradicting themselves. Why are people obsessed with absolutes? Yes, there ARE certain definitive answers in life but that doesn't mean EVERYTHING only has one explaination (which is basically what Uberfuhrer said).
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    Quote Originally Posted by EffEmDoubleyou View Post
    This point of view has always bothered me. Why is it that a "free thinker" is so commonly taken to mean someone who gravitates to a particular set of beliefs (atheism, socialism, conspiracy theories, etc.), instead of someone who considers all evidence and determines an opinion for themselves?

    Are some people are so certain of their own conclusions that they feel any reasonable person who truly engaged in free thinking could not help but come to the same conclusions?
    Couldn't agree more. If you want to see some very closeminded "openminded" people, hang out at any graduate school. You'll also find some genuine free thinkers there, but you'll see lots and lots of folks that have just agreed "openmindedness = people who think like me."

    I also agree with the person that said people's views/cynicism/optimism toward religion usually depends on their upbringing and personal experience. And a person who is a fervent atheist is probably not going to be in a position to hang out with a bunch of sane Christians, because the paths just don't meet that often. When you're an adult, you kind of choose to hang out with people that already believe like you do, or share the lifestyle you do.
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