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    EDIT: DISCLAIMER: TIME OF POST. whatever, hopefully i'll laugh at this in the morning.


    It comes down to-

    Counting, establishing a pattern, sometimes this requires repeating a thought several times to make sure it fits... i realize this could be interpreted several different ways... oh well. So, at first it doesn't matter what the content of the thought is as long as it satisfies the pattern.. noise, visual, numerical.. first. A beat. Comment: I love speaking about stupid, inconsequential things that are of no interest to the rest of the world.

    In a boundary-less moment, a picture of the thoughts would resemble one of those see-through paths/sections(?) on a vacuum- essentially, a bunch of shit zipping about in no predictable or logical path.

    From there, I'll throw a line and hook on to one of the fragments, see if it is worth keeping, probably snag a few lines and become momentarily frustrated with the current speed of the passing thoughts and my inability to focus on obtaining one. A good moment will involve hooking a fragment that isn't another piece of vacuum shit... something that actually puts up a fight, causing me to follow it for awhile and forget about the surrounding whirlwind. Unfortunately, those moments internalize my thinking so strongly that I drown my perception of the external... and surface only to realize that I do not recognize how much time has passed or what landmarks... classrooms... I am located in. Comment: Vegan who uses fishing metaphors.

    From the calamity comes the search for detail. I consider this part insatiable.. endless, infinite, and blahhhhfnkjlrrestartbutton... i often burn out before this step can be completed... despise asymptotes. In an unhealthy state, I refuse to think at the thought of this inevitable step to avoid the anxiety it guarantees to release. I need to make this sound perilous and dreadful because that is how I perceive it and that makes it real (for now). It gets to a point where the axis is no longer visible... and for that matter, neither is the asymptote... the vacuum that sucked the dirt from the floor becomes.. a vacuum (yes?)... leaving me with no perception of what is up, down, left, right, bending time.. perhaps. In the vacuum (which we have redefined, again, because gravity no longer exists, because at this point all previously accepted rules have been abandoned), there is no telling if the fragment is following me, or I, the fragment, or if neither is moving or if everything around the fragment and me is moving. To control this paragraph, I will abide by the rules in order to communicate effectively: it means, logic is skewed into something that is not accepted as logic... by everyone else. Or so I perceive.

    At this point: restart button.

    Followed by: Conclusion: I cannot trust my perceptions.

    Where to go from there? Apparently I do not know or am caught in some sort of inconsistency/realized hypocrisy because it makes me incredibly anxious.. for no discernible, consistent reason besides-- "I don't know."
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    On any topic or problem, I must first build a foundation. If I am ever forced to fly off the cuff, without a solid foundation, I can make some very stupid decisions. I have learned to be slow and slightly deliberate in new areas where I have not grasped the fundamentals yet.

    What's the foundation? Say I take in a new piece of information. My mind pictures where it belongs in the scheme of things - almost as if what level of a pyramid it belongs to. If it's fairly high level, the information lacks a stable foundation and I don't entirely trust it. I then need to go a bit deeper and build a foundation from the bottom up.

    (An example is how some chord progressions sound good to the ear. I can take that as principle, but it's uncomfortable to me to simply memorize it. I needed to find out that Bach pretty much created the language of music as we know it, and the composers of Western music have used the language for so long that we have become trained to accept certain things as sounding right. There is also a fact of how notes in a chord decay into other chords, but I haven't gotten that deep yet.)

    Once I understand the underlying principles, then I can be free to integrate the information with confidence... or toss it out because it doesn't properly fit. The foundation is also what allows me to go in interesting and unexpected directions and come up with some neat ideas.

    If you want a much longer and more emotionally based 'woo-woo-fuzzy-airy-fairy-what-the-hell-is-he-talking-about' type of explanation, go here:
    http://www.typologycentral.com/forum...30-post41.html

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    My thought process is kind of . . . I'm not even sure I would call it a process. It's a vague, ethereal kind of thing. My sense of my inner world is that it's like a square window through which I view ghostly and yet vibrant images. Like a television screen, really, where the screen is the frame, the perspective, and the images are these chaotic specters that run here and there behind it. My thought process in that environment can work in two different ways. The one way is to focus on the perspective, the frame that acts as a lens onto all of those fleeting images. This is a much more logical, orderly process, where I'm deciding where I, other people, and other things stand and whether it all adds up coherently. Then there are other times when I peer through that lens, and it's like following fragments of dreams and seeing where they lead me, and trying to marshal them into some kind of order, an order that they want to attain but they haven't yet learned how.
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    My thoughts are like flying way up above a huge messy landscape. I can see all the blobs below but cant make out all of the details. However there are big spiderwebs/tree branches/strings that connect it all in a big messy way. I swing along these and pluck pieces from one another and twist them around each other and then move to the next thread. Later I will revisit the twisted pieces and tie them to other pieces or sometimes cut them if they are totally crazy. I also will retrace the strings and see if it still makes sense that they are connected. Often I can see big connections among things or pick up flaws in all the tangled mess-even more so than an entp can. I can't exactly explain the flaw but I can point to where it is and that it isnt quite right, and then zero in on the flaw. It's like it glows or something.

    I think these threads being all tangled is why enfps can be so random sometimes. We entangle the wrong threads but it can be really funny.

    If Te is playing, then the threads have to be thicker and be more linear. This is hard on my brain.

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    I don't know if you could call it a thought process, but it goes

    Information streaming in
    Information streaming in
    Information streaming in
    HO, wait
    what's that
    huh
    (files away)
    Information streaming in
    Information streaming in
    HA! wot's this? goes with that other!
    (files away)
    Information streaming in
    Occasionally stop incoming to review what's been received
    Finds a tidbit that goes with the other stuff
    That links to another tidbit stored but not examined at the time
    Starts to see a picture emerge, like puzzle pieces
    Works the puzzle pieces around to see what comes out
    If all goes well, gets the big picture
    If not, feels vaguely dissatisfied and keeps on watch for the rest of the pieces

    or
    Information
    Information
    Information
    HA! This looks like that thing it took me forever to figure out last time!
    HA! There's another signal that it is that thing
    I'm gonna say it's that thing and act accordingly
    (Turns out it is that thing)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nunki View Post
    My thought process is kind of . . . I'm not even sure I would call it a process. It's a vague, ethereal kind of thing. My sense of my inner world is that it's like a square window through which I view ghostly and yet vibrant images. Like a television screen, really, where the screen is the frame, the perspective, and the images are these chaotic specters that run here and there behind it. My thought process in that environment can work in two different ways. The one way is to focus on the perspective, the frame that acts as a lens onto all of those fleeting images. This is a much more logical, orderly process, where I'm deciding where I, other people, and other things stand and whether it all adds up coherently. Then there are other times when I peer through that lens, and it's like following fragments of dreams and seeing where they lead me, and trying to marshal them into some kind of order, an order that they want to attain but they haven't yet learned how.
    I would also liken a lot of my thought processes to having an internal treasure detector. Iíll be walking along, thinking of something, and a certain thought will set off the alarm. Itís as if that thought is a plot of land, and under that land is an important insight. And so I usually dig into the ground and discover what is hiding there. In many cases the treasure points to the location of a new one, and the new one to another new one, and so forth. Itís like following a series of clues, and building an idea out of them as I go.

    Another metaphor that describes my thought is that itís like having an internal set of scales. All of the information running through my head, all of the ideas and impressions: I pluck them up and set them down on those scales, weighing them for value, meaning, consistency, and congruence. As I finish weighing each thought, I either set it down beside the scales to be used or developed, or I store it away in an invisible filing cabinet that is probably my subconscious.
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    Hmm, let's see - focussed, emotionally straight, action-oriented, motivated to... fairness, productivity and elaboration.

    ... Guess that's close.

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    Mine is kind of lot like you said.

    Usually when I'm thinking about anything it's like looking at a picture with missing parts. Then I zoom in on one of the holes and fit in a piece that fits the best, and then I keep moving from hole to hole until I complete the picture.

    It's actually more like looking at a puzzle that is unfinished on the outer edges. I fit in a piece, but often as I fit on more and more pieces the original pieces are found to be wrong so I take them off and try to fit a new one. If I am so fortunate to reach the outer edge of a puzzle it is one of the most satisfying moments.
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    My thought process is usually somewhere off in the clouds; I don't usually consciously try to jump into a topic; it just appears there. I'll ponder it for awhile, or, in the case of one of my daydreams, just sort of float around in there until I'm done. When I'm making a decision.. I usually just know what I need to do. My Fi and Ne are usually entirely subconscious - if it's something I know, I know it immediately. If it's not, then I'll begin using my Si and Te to figure out what comes next. They're usually not nearly as good as if I had known the answer to start with, though.

    For example, and I know this is a horrid example, but I can look at a test question, and without even consciously READING the whole thing, I can know the answer. It's there. If I don't know it, I'm usually fucked, but I might be able to figure it out if I compare it to the data I do know, or if I'm able to deduct logically what the answer is. Unfortunately, my parental Ne often makes me second guess myself; I've learned to ignore that feeling except when I am above and beyond 99% sure that it is the correct answer. Si has saved me a few points before.

    Edit: Unfortunately, knowing what needs to be done and acting on it are two different things.. I guess this is a problem for a lot of us INXPs.
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    Ideas seem to come come as revelation-like flashes of inspiration out of unconscious processing of incoming information through my factual knowledge and memories (Ni). The ideas are then tried and/or tested in some fashion in the real world (Te) while at the same time are vetted for gut-level ethical acceptability (Fi).
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