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    I read your post again ygolo, and it is really well put. I also understand the role of perception and why it's relevant. If someone happens to be confronted with some particular negative trait, it makes sense for them to have heightened awareness and distrust of that trait. Whatever aspects of their environment produced the initial problems are likely to reproduce the same scenarios. In one way prejudices help people filter down threats to those they are most likely to encounter. This probably is more effective when one's environment remains small and consistent. It's when prejudice is applied in a more universal context that it creates bigger problems than it originally attempted to solve.

    Quote Originally Posted by ygolo View Post
    Please, do keep in mind, that there is nothing aimed at you personally.
    Your comment is hugely thoughtful and appreciated and goes a long way to bypass the regular work to stay balanced on the tightrope of thought. I can't say this applies to all Fe, but unfortunately it requires constant mindfulness to not absorb negativity whether it is directed personally or not. I find the worst is constant, consistent negativity that wears down my Fe. Repetition tends to make negativity 'feel' true, even if the mind fights it logically.

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    If you really want to understand where the rebelious attitude comes from, please look for examples that could be contrued as tyrannical from your Fe friends (or if you can stomach it, yourself).
    I have observed/experienced these things. My former therapist with the wooden leg can tell you all about it. Regarding looking for examples from myself, i will say this: there is no one else on earth who has ever been on the receiving end of my "Fe tyranny" as I have been. That is why what i feel is not who i am. As far as others are concerned, I am duly crowned Madame Mishap.

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    My mom is Fi as well Toonia, however that had a good impact on me (for obvious reasons). I'm not sure I understood you correctly, you're saying that because your family was self-doubting and seemed fragile it caused you to hide your achivements. Was that an explicit parental expectation? or your parents identified more with your sibilings and kind of gave you implicit cues that was not ok to do that?
    I consider that i benefitted as well and appreciate many positive aspects to my upbringing exactly as it was.
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    Quote Originally Posted by toonia View Post
    there is no one else on earth who has ever been on the receiving end of my "Fe tyranny" as I have been. That is why what i feel is not who i am.
    Are you describing the unnerving tendency to be self-conscious of everything you do or say externally/publicly, constantly afraid you are going to fall off the tightrope and plummet straight, pinwheeling and wailing, to the ground? Like everyone around you is packing iron and any misstep will leave you able to drink a glass of water and spurt like a fountain from the swiss cheese that remains of your torso?

    I have had at least one other person bringing up the hyped-up self-monitoring thing to me recently.... sigh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Are you describing the unnerving tendency to be self-conscious of everything you do or say externally/publicly, constantly afraid you are going to fall off the tightrope and plummet straight, pinwheeling and wailing, to the ground? Like everyone around you is packing iron and any misstep will leave you able to drink a glass of water and spurt like a fountain from the swiss cheese that remains of your torso?

    I have had at least one other person bringing up the hyped-up self-monitoring thing to me recently.... sigh.
    I think that is related and spot on for most cases. What i was talking about specifically is the internalizing of negativity and abuse and then reinacting it on oneself. "If you can't beat 'em, join them." It's about having to run away from a crowd of human rejection to saves oneself from becoming their own rejection. It's about running to find a sunset to internalize to become a sunset instead. It is the human equivalent of this...





    Parrots do this for a variety of reasons including nutrition deficits, but i understand that a sense of isolation is one such motivation. Failing to belong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by toonia View Post
    I think that is related and spot on for most cases. What i was talking about specifically is the internalizing of negativity and abuse and then reinacting it on oneself. ... Parrots do this for a variety of reasons including nutrition deficits, but i understand that a sense of isolation is one such motivation. Failing to belong.
    Please don't do that to yourself.

    It would be like setting the Sistine Chapel aflame or scribbling over the Mona Lisa or detonating the Arc d'Triumph.

    Don't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Please don't do that to yourself.

    It would be like setting the Sistine Chapel aflame or scribbling over the Mona Lisa or detonating the Arc d'Triumph.

    Don't.
    Thanks Apologies for the ugliness of those pictures, but i chose them for accuracy of meaning. I actually found my way out of that without external support, so i am somewhat proud of myself for that. An emotional process that primarily internalizes from the outside world is capable of private sensitivity and pain others don't know about. It will tend to be hidden in an attempt to keep the external world as positive as possible. Someone who is sincerely internalizing pain will hide it. You will not know if they are experiencing this sort of thing I describe. They will often smile to greet you and such.

    This type of thing happens to many people in many different manifestations. I would even venture to say that disorders like anorexia can have some relationship to this internalization of pain. I do think it is important to take the risk of making people feel strong.

    edit: i would not be engaging in this type of discussion publically if i were currently battling it head on. At this point it is simply a distant phantom that reminds me to regulate such scenarios before they go too far.
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    Quote Originally Posted by toonia View Post
    An emotional process that primarily internalizes from the outside world is capable of private sensitivity and pain others don't know about. It will tend to be hidden in an attempt to keep the external world as positive as possible. Someone who is sincerely internalizing pain will hide it. You will not know if they are experiencing this sort of thing I describe. They will often smile to greet you and such.
    People are often shocked when they find out the inner hells that some of us live in.

    I do think it is important to take the risk of making people feel strong.
    Could you explain this a bit better, Toonia? You have said it before, so it must be important, but I still haven't figured out quite what you meant by it.
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    ARGH this is such a good thread but I have a problem. Translated to Danish, Fis=fart (present) and Fes=farted (past) Tis=urin. As I juggle around with descriptions like sensor farts, intuitive farts, and dominant urin, the whole debate becomes encreasingly more and more disturbing.

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    Fis sometimes come across as rude and insensitive because they tend to ignore etiquette rules.
    Agreed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Park View Post
    ARGH this is such a good thread but I have a problem. Translated to Danish, Fis=fart (present) and Fes=farted (past) Tis=urin. As I juggle around with descriptions like sensor farts, intuitive farts, and dominant urin, the whole debate becomes encreasingly more and more disturbing.



    Agreed.
    LOL!

    You can begin the day spewing out dominant Tis, but that doesn't take into account the social effects of your inferior Fis problems today or your weak Fes problems yesterday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Liquid_Laser View Post
    LOL!

    You can begin the day spewing out dominant Tis, but that doesn't take into account the social effects of your inferior Fis problems today or your weak Fes problems yesterday.

    Hehe, I'll ad some wise words from BlueWing to that.

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    To Fis it comes only as naturally as critical thinking for Tis.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Park View Post
    ARGH this is such a good thread but I have a problem. Translated to Danish, Fis=fart (present) and Fes=farted (past) Tis=urin. As I juggle around with descriptions like sensor farts, intuitive farts, and dominant urin, the whole debate becomes encreasingly more and more disturbing.
    Somehow very little is lost in translation. I think you kinda summed it up.
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