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    Default ESTP vs ENTP - the value system

    in my childhood i had this extp friend, Chris.

    he had a high metabolism, lean but strong body and a rather big one eyed snake wrapped in expensive underwear. yes, he would show it off, both of it.

    he would get everything he wanted, pussy and authority. without having to fight for it. eventually someone like me had to challenge this routine, but that is a different story.

    shame, jealousy, or any feeling of intimidation were unknown to him. loyalty as well, meaning he got the pussy without the relationship.

    when he saw nuns or Amish people, he had feelings of disgust. how could someone live like that? how could someone not want to "integrate" properly with society. of course, referring to nuns, by "to integrate" he would mean as much as: show some ass.

    this was a projection of his egocentric value system. "if someone is not a extp, he is not an authentic human being, deserves no respect and is useless anyway. at best he is cute." but projection of egocentric values is normal, that's not the topic here. the values are.

    how are the values of intuitives and sensory extp different from each other? are they?

    let's focus on early values, because they are more or less common to everyone that would participate in the thread. that's why i gave an early example. you cant compare values of different stages.

    but feel free to add your own examples.

    don't all young extp want the same? party, power, sex? the good clothing label, the newest skateboard?

    if the intuitives were more iconoclastic - would that mean, they hate nuns and Amish even more, because nuns and Amish pray to icons, or would that mean, that they hate them less, because they would be aware, that sex and party are icons as well, and so life, that is dancing around different icons, is essentially still the same life?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nanook View Post
    don't all young extp want the same? party, power, sex? the good clothing label, the newest skateboard?
    The answer is no. You forgot knowledge for its own sake.

    I fear you're deeply mistaken.
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    what knowledge is there, in the teen world?

    surely an average enneagram seven is not all that interested into school matter.
    and computers are boring, unless you are in a scene where you can throw parties around computers, ie parties financed by pirate/hacker activities.

    that stuff did not even exist in the early nineties. no hover boards either.

    so, what's left?

    do entp go for knowledge about other peoples penis size?
    'cause he sure tryed to pull down my pants more than once.

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    Again, I'd say you're deeply biased and mistaken.

    You're talking much more about YOU than about reals ExTPs, are you aware of it?
    I don't know what your "friend" did to you to make you so angry against him, but frankly, I don't bother. There are other places to chase ghosts.
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    now, don't be all emotional and sensitive. (read: manipulative)

    i have actually been asking an open question. and an interesting one. and a question that is hard to answer. so yeah, its easier to not take it serious.

    the question is not even suggestive. the example is a little suggestive put it is in it self a question. if you want to propose that the example is unrealistic for the both of extp, than make your point and have fun. not, that i will believe it for a second.

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    so, how is that value of knowledge, that you mention, displayed in entp, who are not yet on a rational stage of developement, or do not have access to rational means, like books or computers? what was the difference between young entp and young estp in the middle ages, i an agrarian culture, on the country?

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    Nanook, your question is definitely on the silly side of the crazy fence. Everyone has separate values. And everyone will find values that mesh. It's like a giant crazy venn diagram of dynamic confusion.

    Blackmail is not being manipulative. And on that point, everyone has moments of manipulation, ENTP's are just gutsy enough to own up to it. Have you bothered to ask this close friend of yours what makes him tick?
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    Nanook, your question is definitely on the silly side of the crazy fence
    i usually adapt, to the people i talk to. this thread is all entp style.

    you cannot answer my questions, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nanook View Post
    i usually adapt, to the people i talk to. this thread is all entp style.

    you cannot answer my questions, right?
    "All humour has a foundation of truth."
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    so, its entp style to make fun of others, but not entp style to laugh about one self? i have overestimated you. i am deeply sorry.

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