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    yeah, perception is all about examining the outer world, which includes oneself. inner pictures of ni are representations of the world. there is only one world. only one brain. only one skull. communication takes place inside of it. gets something going. creates resonance. is inspiring.

    introversion is about "creative" uniting of as much as possible and examining the intrinsic character of one such united entity, extroversion is about "objective" fragmenting/dividing of the whole into virtual entities and examining the interactive (external) character of those fragments. both get a big picture of everything, just the boundaries are defined differently, and the prediction of the character of the whole is sort of "sidewards". Ni knows what one virtual entity is up to. Ne knows what will happen if virtual entity x meets virtual entity y. both predict different aspects of the future. by virtual i mean, that all boundaries are subjective. their definition is the basic act of perception.

    introverted perception grows with experience, but fears to be totally overwhelmed. extroverted perceptions copes with volume of experience by becoming more superficial, remaining very effective, but getting nihilistic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nanook View Post
    yeah, perception is all about examining the outer world, which includes oneself. inner pictures of ni are representations of the world. there is only one world. only one brain. only one skull. communication takes place inside of it. gets something going. creates resonance. is inspiring.

    introversion is about "creative" uniting of as much as possible and examining the intrinsic character of one such united entity, extroversion is about "objective" fragmenting/dividing of the whole into virtual entities and examining the interactive (external) character of those fragments. both get a big picture of everything, just the boundaries are defined differently, and the prediction of the character of the whole is sort of "sidewards"

    introverted perception grows with experience, but fears to be totally overwhelmed. extroverted perceptions copes with volume of experience by becoming more superficial, remaining very effective, but getting nihilistic.
    Yes, it seems that all E functions are more effective at first, and all the I functions grow with experience. Fine example is Se and Si. If you had enough memory of something, there would be no need to perceive it from its source. Although I think Si is aimed towards what some one is used to and not so much the probability that it happens. So Si wouldn't necessarily try to perceive the result, but rather know if something is normal or not.

    This leads to the fact that Ni seems to generalize its past sources into a single concept, and that's why I think it is less biased compared to influence of possibly one or two external factors (extroverted function).

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    Ne=A can easily lead to Z
    Ni=no it can't because A is very similar to B, and B has always been B (something going on in the unconscious)

    Ti or Fi starts out with too high of standards in which most ideas aren't going to be accepted. The INXP could just improve on the idea, but in most cases they keep surfing ideas because none of them seem to be fitting their J function. The reason why Pi cannot be perfected is because it is unchanged. It is like fitting a color blob to custom lines. How long is it going to take you to find the perfect outline? When you find it, the color is structured by the lines, but the lines don't exactly form a powerful shape like the square or triangle. But it can.

    Ni contains a very specific idea applying to Je. The idea of Ni must fit the correct standard of either Te or Fe, so the idea or vision must morph into that reality, into something that can be accepted, by us (the user) and everyone else. That is why Ni users question their vision, because it is correct, but it never fits with their specific idea applying to Je.

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    Ne would argue that A can turn out to become Z if Q comes into the game and kicks A into the butt. Ni has forgotten about Q, but if reminded, it may know that A would quickly get into its old form again, because it has an elastic intrinsic character. so if kicked by Q, A would mutate like that: A..C...D...X..Y.X..D..C..A :p

    so TiNe people often have those ridiculously relativistic ideas about how moral is just a relative system applied to humans, but NiFe could never forget that the intrinsic nature of humans features basic moral sensitivity that only finds relative expressions.


    on the other hand Ne makes more darwinistic assumptions.:
    it watches how 5 turns into 8 and thinks that this mutation is an external property of 5. "thats what 5 does." Ni takes time to observe that 5 is reacting to something. only this reaction is the internal property of 5. but without a little help from the outside, 5 would stay 5 forever. and if you mistreat your 5 it will end up as a 7. thats what 5 does. both of it. knowing all the potential of the individual, and its reaction to the current situation. rather than knowing all the statistical potential of a lot of possible situations that combine a lot of individuals.

    anyway, i am not ready to push out my early understanding of sensing. what i said in #13 was only meant to be true for N.

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