Prejudice against Sensors?

[ajblaise]

I know some intuitives (who aren't into MBTI) label sensors as "closed minded" or "slow." I also know/see sensors (who aren't into MBTI) label intuitives as "weird." I think people who buy into the whole "different is bad thing" are closed minded themselves, S/N preference doesn't really matter that much.

When isn't being "closed minded" a bad thing? I see nothing wrong with identifying this tendency as a negative.

(not that all sensors are that way)

 

[BlackCat]

When isn't being "closed minded" a bad thing? I see nothing wrong with identifying this tendency as a negative.

(not that all sensors are that way)

Uh... I think you maybe took what I said a different way than what I intended. Being closed minded IS bad, that's what I was trying to convey in that message. It is a negative tendency.

 

[ajblaise]

Uh... I think you maybe took what I said a different way than what I intended. Being closed minded IS bad, that's what I was trying to convey in that message. It is a negative tendency.

So what's wrong with associating that with sensorism? I think the correlation is high enough.

 

[entropie]

I learned in my life, there are always people who feel obligated. And most of them aint sensors. I love sensors.

 

[BlackCat]

So what's wrong with associating that with sensorism? I think the correlation is high enough.

Well, sensors aren't closed minded (not all of them!). That's why. For us they may be, but I tend to make friends with the more open minded ones, and I can make them see things in a sort of intuitive way, and they make me see things in a concrete way. No closed mindedness there. I just think it's negative to slap on a stereotype like that to 75% of the human population, because I know that all sensors aren't closed minded.

What's wrong with associated being intuitive with being "weird?" Pretty much the same thing as above, weird is an opinion, as is being closed minded. Closed minded sensors aren't closed minded to other closed minded sensors, and intuitives aren't weird to other intuitives.

 

[entropie]

you keep ignoring me, I go make a pizza

 

[ajblaise]

I learned in my life, there are always people who feel obligated. And most of them aint sensors. I love sensors.

Feel obligated to what?

 

[Qre:us]

For example, do you believe that intuition goes hand in hand with imagination, and as such, sensors 'lack that level of imagination' as intuits?

 

[ajblaise]

Well, sensors aren't closed minded (not all of them!). That's why. For us they may be, but I tend to make friends with the more open minded ones, and I can make them see things in a sort of intuitive way, and they make me see things in a concrete way. No closed mindedness there. I just think it's negative to slap on a stereotype like that to 75% of the human population, because I know that all sensors aren't closed minded.

What's wrong with associated being intuitive with being "weird?" Pretty much the same thing as above, weird is an opinion, as is being closed minded. Closed minded sensors aren't closed minded to other closed minded sensors, and intuitives aren't weird to other intuitives.

MBTI is all about attaching generalities and stereotypes to different labels. I find people are fine when we talk about positive generalities, but many don't like identifying the negative ones. I think we should look at all of them.

 

[BlackCat]

For example, do you believe that intuition goes hand in hand with imagination, and as such, sensors 'lack that level of imagination' as intuits?

Hell no. SolitaryWalker started a thread like this, he got flamed SO hard and disproved countless times. Sensors DO NOT lack imagination. Imagination =/= ideas. Anyone can have an imagination.

 

[Qre:us]

Hell no. SolitaryWalker started a thread like this, he got flamed SO hard and disproved countless times. Sensors DO NOT lack imagination. Imagination =/= ideas. Anyone can have an imagination.

haha, it was through a dialogue with SW, that I brought up this Q. I disagreed as well. Can you point me to that thread?

 

[ajblaise]

For example, do you believe that intuition goes hand in hand with imagination, and as such, sensors 'lack that level of imagination' as intuits?

When you're interacting and paying attention to the concrete world, you're usually not forming mental concepts at the same time. But to a degree everyone has some imagination. It's a human thing.

 

[nanook]

if most of the people are stupid and lack a soul (or visible involution of a soul) and most of the people are sensors, then you have to expect that some intuitives, who are just smart and soulfull enough, to miss something in society, will confuse sensing with the traits of the majority.

i said somewhere else that developemental psychology and type need each other in order to work properly

 

[ptgatsby]

In real life, no one knows what the hell a "sensor" is.

Much truth. Artificial labels create divisions. Doesn't matter if it's wearing a green ribbon, or a red one... that is the majority of the explanation on prejudice.

I just think it's negative to slap on a stereotype like that to 75% of the human population, because I know that all sensors aren't closed minded.

On one hand, we can stereotype humans to have two legs and two arms... it's normally true.

On the other hand, that gives you no meaning whatsoever. So it is with describing 3/4 people. Could be true, although I doubt it, and relatively useless regardless.

 

[BlackCat]

haha, it was through a dialogue with SW, that I brought up this Q. I disagreed as well. Can you point me to that thread?

Sure thing. He's a great example of a closed minded intuitive imo. http://www.typologycentral.com/forums/sp-arthouse/330-question-sensors.html

 

[entropie]

Sure thing. He's a great example of a closed minded intuitive imo. http://www.typologycentral.com/forums/sp-arthouse/330-question-sensors.html

Your opinion is subjective !

 

[Qre:us]

IRL there is a prejudice against Intuition. The minority always gets singled out and put down.

Are 2 wrongs supposed to make a right?

 

[nanook]

if closed mindedness means to become attached to constructed theories without constantly checking for a pattern match with observed reality, then we know who is really prone to closed mindedness, dont we?

 

[Qre:us]

With sensors being about 75% of the population, many of us have been clashing with them throughout our lives. And now we're on a forum where we are the majority. So it makes perfect sense that some would vent about sensors, especially SJs. It's the least I would expect.

Also, we have to admit, intuition is pretty effin cool.

But, the bolded part is what I'm getting at....how much of this vent is due to some misconstrued understanding of sensing (or even types) and how much is really *ahem* grounded in the reality of what sensors are?

 

[BlackCat]

But, the bolded part is what I'm getting at....how much of this vent is due to some misconstrued understanding of sensing (or even types) and how much is really *ahem* grounded in the reality of what sensors are?

I think it has everything to do with what you just said. We create a false image in hour heads that we think is true, but we cannot know as intuitives because we are not sensors.