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    Quote Originally Posted by Into It View Post
    what's the problem?
    the kid wants to be individualistic so badly that he won't conform to even what the nonconformists conform to. also just because he speaks out of hurt (which i don't believe he does), it doesn't make logical fallacies a-okay.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Into It View Post
    2. Actually this is not true, MBTI theory has absolutely nothing to do with predetermined functions. Jung came in and added all that stuff later, so you can accept the theory without the functions.

    Err, no. Myers took Jungs work and built a test/etc. around it, validated it and so forth... MBTI theory is very much entrenched in Jung's theory, although it has evolved considerably since then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    I think that SJ's would be the FIRST to have a problem with a system that they felt was personally unfair or a deterioration of how things are supposed to be.
    That is interesting. But your use of the word deterioration implies that "how things are supposed to be" is determined by how things were. So I stand by my claim once more, as SJ's may notice that things have changed, and they probably will not like that, but that's only because they haven't questioned the system that was there in the first place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ptgatsby View Post
    Err, no. Myers took Jungs work and built a test/etc. around it, validated it and so forth... MBTI theory is very much entrenched in Jung's theory, although it has evolved considerably since then.
    Oh, interesting. Didn't Kiersey want nothing to do with that though?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sentura View Post
    it doesn't make logical fallacies a-okay.
    No, I suppose nothing does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Into It View Post
    Oh, interesting. Didn't Kiersey want nothing to do with that though?
    Kiersey really is just an offshoot of all of this. I don't many good things to say about Kiersey and his methods, so I won't say much... But MBTI theory is still very much functional in nature... (which, I also don't like :p )

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    I like the functions very much. The system is very logical. I can hear how Poe relates one thing to another (Ne) but is much more focused on the details of how these things feel, which tells me that he has an Ne vision now and then, and each time it weighs heavily on him, so Fi would be overpowering in that case. And so I can determine almost immediately that he is an INFP. As for myself, I have visions constantly, and it is how these possibilities could relate to me that causes them to pop up, but they are really non-stop. This tells me that my Ne casts a shadow over my Fi. Also, trying to "re-sense" or remember the details of how anything looked or sounded causes me more stress than any other psychological activity (including mental long division etc.), and that is why I find it so interesting that Si should be my weakest function.

    True, the more you box people in, the more careful you must be. But Ne is focused on patterns, or if you don't believe in Ne, we could say, ENTPs and ENFPs are more focused on patterns than other types. And ENFPs are focused on people patterns. For this reason, I think that ENFPs are naturally inclined toward psychology; I can at least speak for myself in this regard. And overall, I find the functions to be very useful. I've never met an INTJ or ENTJ who didn't communicate with the world primarily through results oriented speech (Te), for instance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sentura View Post
    you live on fallacies apparently. while i may be a prick, i'm neither dogmatic nor ignorant. i don't reject the idea of MBTI types, but i know it's not perfect either. the difference between you and i is that i can adapt and say that my type is closer to one type than other. you prefer not adapting, and you think that makes you better?
    Do we have to have the same debate on this board over and over?
    This board is not called MBTI Central.
    And if you bothered to do your homework,
    you would have found out by now, why I don't have a type listed.
    This has nothing to do with "adaptation."
    The word for this particular situation is: accuracy.

    I'm in favor of decoupling the poles,
    and testing each function independently.
    That's hardly unreasonable.

    If you have a problem with my demand for accuracy, I don't really care.
    You and I have different priorities.


    i can guarantee you i can lead better than you.
    Great-- an egomaniacal child who wants to slam his dick on the table,
    and start measuring.

    Kiddo, your lazy ass can't even capitalize your I's in writing,
    much less lead anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    Actually, yes, someone as obtuse as yourself should quote Bugs Bunny.
    It's all you are capable of understanding.
    Yes, sad isn't it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Into It View Post
    That is interesting. But your use of the word deterioration implies that "how things are supposed to be" is determined by how things were. So I stand by my claim once more, as SJ's may notice that things have changed, and they probably will not like that, but that's only because they haven't questioned the system that was there in the first place.
    No, it doesn't imply that. What it means is that, sometimes, things get better. Sometimes, things get worse, as I was saying about party politics. Again, you're reading things between the lines that are not there.
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