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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    Ok, substitute Fi for Si in my last post.

    What I mean is, given enough trials, can't we make reasonable inductive arguments that certain behaviors and thought patterns are based primarily on various functions?
    I'm with the school of thought that we don't use one function in isolation when evaluating a situation, that parsing out which function is the culprit can get tricky.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heart View Post
    I am not saint and I am not a psychologist and I am not superhuman. And your logic is off because it is not "eye for an eye" to merely complain about someone criticizing you. They get to insinuate that N is worthless most of us are just complaining about them dismissing us, not saying every aspect of S is worthless.
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    But this is assuming that we meet intolerance with intolerance towards THEM. We can be intolerant of the actually intolerance against us - but the mode by which we show our intolerance becomes key, IMO.
    Logic - off

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    Quote Originally Posted by heart View Post
    I think it's just frustration about life out in the big offline world where S is valued over N. Most complaints that I see about S are mostly about S not understanding and not valuing N. I guess we're not allowed to complain about the intolerance of S because it's wrong for us to be intolerant intolerance of us.
    Is S preferred over N? I've had this conversation here before. I have yet to see a single piece of evidence for S>N, and many suggestions that it is not.

    And not surprisingly, I also heard the exact same words with E>I, until Is found out that they weren't a minority. It's a repeated pattern.

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    I like that one post where stimulatedwords talked about playing cards. The rest of the topic is way too general for my sensor brain to grasp.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffster View Post
    I like that one post where stimulatedwords talked about playing cards. The rest of the topic is way too general for my sensor brain to grasp.
    Cute, but wouldn't the one with the metaphor be the one that Sensors supposedly "wouldn't get"?
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    The reason intuitives have a bias against Sensors is that they sometimes can't follow what they're saying. The same is true in reverse. People fear and even "hate" what they don't understand.

    Also, lots of intuitives have developed resentment towards sensors because some of them ostracized the intutives during childhood.

    And the biggest reason, at least in my case, is that I'm jealous of them. I tend to overcomplicate everything, and I hate it. I would love to just BE (not that sensors get to either, but they're closer on the spectrum.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfy View Post
    People are using a simple heuristic to think about the two functions.
    intuition = cerebral
    sensing = physical

    And from there equating cerebral with mental skill and physical with physical skill.

    It's not only on the net that there is a bias towards mental skill. Physical skill has been devalued in modern society.
    I thought this was an interesting point that was passed by. (and directly relevant to the thread topic) Anyone think it has merit, that the two might be related?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ptgatsby View Post
    Is S preferred over N? I've had this conversation here before. I have yet to see a single piece of evidence for S>N, and many suggestions that it is not.
    Not everyone lives in a university setting where statistics are kept, like scoring well on tests etc. Out in the real nitty gritty world I see far, far more appreciation for S and more approbation for being N. It's okay to be genius and N if you can sell an invention, but most jobs want S skills. Run of the mill N just means you're a hard to understand pain in the arse who loses their car keys a lot and occassionally says something noteworthy that makes people laugh. That's about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evan View Post
    The reason intuitives have a bias against Sensors is that they sometimes can't follow what they're saying. The same is true in reverse. People fear and even "hate" what they don't understand.

    Also, lots of intuitives have developed resentment towards sensors because some of them ostracized the intutives during childhood.

    And the biggest reason, at least in my case, is that I'm jealous of them. I tend to overcomplicate everything, and I hate it. I would love to just BE (not that sensors get to either, but they're closer on the spectrum.)
    See that's kinda what I thought, too. Thanks to Nadir, though, I've found out there's actually no such thing as iNtuitives at all.

    Good thing, too, cause I was pretty sure there for a minute.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quinlan View Post
    You have the capacity to, but you prefer not to and give up "when mistakes start popping up". If you really wanted to, and applied yourself from a young age your Se could easily be better than an Se dom that has not developed/refined it in the same way.
    That's a huge assumption. I try very hard to pay attention to details. My major in college was all about details and I persued it because I was interested in the subject, the work I like to do needs attention to detail and I try very, very hard and yet---I continue to miss details, get facs a bit wrong. I just have to know this about myself, that it's my weakness and I have to double check and cross check myself. It's a source of great frustration to me, my mind always working to sift away the facts and keep the gist and I am like no, no don't lose the facts/details and poof! they are gone!

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