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    The only form of prejudice I have against Sensors is assuming they won't "get me" most of the time....and it's often true. But I have nothing against them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Qre:us View Post
    Yup, this is kinda what I'm getting at. You can be seeing a person using a MIX of functions. Or, a function that they feel is most beneficial to a situation.

    As well, another point of why it is very assumptive to have stereotypes based on such categories as intuition/sensing- For example, we can't fully know whether those who self-identify themselves as a sensor doesn't really have the capacity for intuition. They can be more intuitive than a person who self-identifies themselves as an intuit. Not because each of these people have labeled themselves wrong, but, because it is only a commentary that is self-contained. Meaning, they have the capacity to intuit but they rely more on sensing, which makes no commentary on their level of intuition in comparison to another. Because the other, who relies primarily on intuition may have his/her ceiling level of intuition be less than the person who primarily relies on sensing (but still has the capacity for intuition).

    Which brings us back nicely to the topic of this thread and why such prejudice against sensors is kinda non-sensical.

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    Is all very good to do, and I agree, quite useful, but, we must contain whatever predictions we make about a person to themselves. Which makes any kind of comparisons between sensors and intuits redundant.

    Only to the level of sensing and intuition within one individual can we go, beyond that we play a dangerous game of assumptions.

    Interesting...now suppose I were to ask some of these people what it is that motivates them to behave in a particular way in a particular situation, and that I were to get a high degree of consistency in the responses.

    For instance, let's say I'm wondering why most people are opposed to gay marriage. I take a big poll of people who are opposed to it, and the most common answer I get is something to the effect of, "Because the known traditions which I value most highly in my life are opposed to it."

    This seems to line up pretty closely with Si, so is it not reasonable to posit a guess that Si has something to do with this particular belief?
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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    Interesting...now suppose I were to ask some of these people what it is that motivates them to behave in a particular way in a particular situation, and that I were to get a high degree of consistency in the responses.

    For instance, let's say I'm wondering why most people are opposed to gay marriage. I take a big poll of people who are opposed to it, and the most common answer I get is something to the effect of, "Because the known traditions which I value most highly in my life are opposed to it."

    This seems to line up pretty closely with Si, so is it not reasonable to posit a guess that Si has something to do with this particular belief?
    Aren't most people's "reasoning" against gay marriage something along the lines of, because the bible says so, or, because it's Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve, or, simply because they are Christian?
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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    Interesting...now suppose I were to ask some of these people what it is that motivates them to behave in a particular way in a particular situation, and that I were to get a high degree of consistency in the responses.

    For instance, let's say I'm wondering why most people are opposed to gay marriage. I take a big poll of people who are opposed to it, and the most common answer I get is something to the effect of, "Because the known traditions which I value most highly in my life are opposed to it."

    This seems to line up pretty closely with Si, so is it not reasonable to posit a guess that Si has something to do with this particular belief?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Qre:us View Post
    I don't know if intelligence is so much at the core of N, as it is, once again, erronous labeling of what constitues intelligence.
    Possibilities as thoughts = intelligence?
    Depth in detail of the concrete = intelligence?
    IQ as a proxy for intelligence. You hit on the problem, but the N:S divide, because of its (lack of) normalization has a ton of artifacts, like the IQ connection.

    It does all stem from the descriptions that were originally used, which created the tests.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptgatsby View Post
    IQ as a proxy for intelligence. You hit on the problem, but the N:S divide, because of its (lack of) normalization has a ton of artifacts, like the IQ connection.

    It does all stem from the descriptions that were originally used, which created the tests.
    And, as we know, no one questions the root descriptions in the first place, and its merit, such that the thought propagates, without healthy skepticism at every moment of extrapolation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Qre:us View Post
    Nice (and obvious - I assumed this primary reasoning in my OP when pointing out there's more Ns than Ss, hence, easier to trash talk with one's ilk, about those that are different).

    I think there's some inherent misconception about sensation (and its definition) that fuels this fire.
    I think it's just frustration about life out in the big offline world where S is valued over N. Most complaints that I see about S are mostly about S not understanding and not valuing N. I guess we're not allowed to complain about the intolerance of S because it's wrong for us to be intolerant intolerance of us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heart View Post
    I think it's just frustration about life out in the big offline world where S is valued over N. Most complaints that I see about S are mostly about S not understanding and not valuing N. I guess we're not allowed to complain about the intolerance of S because it's wrong for us to be intolerant intolerance of us.
    Cuz someone (supposedly wise) once said, an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. - vegan baldy

    But this is assuming that we meet intolerance with intolerance towards THEM. We can be intolerant of the actually intolerance against us - but the mode by which we show our intolerance becomes key, IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Qre:us View Post
    Fi-nd the Fi!!!
    Ok, substitute Fi for Si in my last post.

    What I mean is, given enough trials, can't we make reasonable inductive arguments that certain behaviors and thought patterns are based primarily on various functions? That's what I meant last time when you corrected my definition of generalization--you picked a small detail on which I had used a technical term incorrectly and harped on that instead of explaining any conceptual problems with my thoughts.

    Like if I had decided to go on and on about your mistaken assertion that there are 54 cards in a deck. It was probably a typo, but it was obviously not very important to the discussion at hand so I didn't spend more than about four words on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Qre:us View Post
    Cuz someone (supposedly wise) once said, an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. - vegan baldy
    I am not saint and I am not a psychologist and I am not superhuman. And your logic is off because it is not "eye for an eye" to merely complain about someone criticizing you. They get to insinuate that N is worthless most of us are just complaining about them dismissing us, not saying every aspect of S is worthless.

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