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    Quote Originally Posted by ygolo View Post

    Perhaps a refinement would be to see if a "party" situation is draining or recharging (I find it draining even if I am enjoying myself). Thought the energy expendeture makes it hard for me to believe that even extraverts can not feel tired afterwards.
    I hate parties lol, always have, I prefer clubs, bars and gigs, parties means you have to make small talk with too many people.

    I should have added above, I still never liked having to socialise on a large scale, a few friends in a club, is still just you and your friends and you don;t have to speak to anyone you don't know. I stil prefered having company, just a few close friends though.
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    Wow! you post fast. I was adding a minor edit, by the time you posted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sahara View Post
    See, if it wasn't for message boards I would unbelievably lonely. When the tests asked me if I could live as a hermit I answered yes, but only because I no longer trust people, if I still had my former trust and optimism and if I had answered that question 10yrs ago, I would have said no way.

    I find too much company over very long periods to be draining, and need time alone, but when I still wanted friends I couldn't go too long without company, I would always be out socialising, I mean always.

    I really wonder if my current introversion is based more on my islamic marriage in which introversion is a muslim womans expected attitude. Prior to that it was very rare that I chose to be alone, even if it meant hanging out with people that I found annoying just as long as I was with people doing stuff.

    Being alone now is because I just don't like people as much anymore, yet I still constantly reach out across the net for contact.

    What do you think?

    EDIT: I score 57% introversion if that helps.
    I get lonely too and being lonely or not lonely is not the same thing as I am talking about here. I get lonely and then I want to be around people, but when I spend time with people, I am drawing from an energy bank and sooner or later I will NEED time alone to recharge, whether I really want to withdraw from those others or not. I expend energy when around others and gain energy when alone. It is really not a question of being lonely or fed up with people. I do get fed up with people too, but that's sort of different, more my own ideas about people and how they think and behave rather than introversion I think. These ideas are so hard for me to put into words.

    Being around my husband is not really draining because he is introverted too and we can spend long periods of time doing our own quiet thing in the same room. Hard to explain.

    I prefer quieter people to loud and rowdy types. I prefer when I do seek relief for being lonely to being one on one with people or very small groups, but prefer one on one and that's not cultural I do not think because I was not raised in any religion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heart View Post

    Being around my husband is not really draining because he is introverted too and we can spend long periods of time doing our own quiet thing in the same room. Hard to explain.

    I prefer quieter people to loud and rowdy types. I prefer when I do seek relief for being lonely to being one on one with people or very small groups, but prefer one on one and that's not cultural I do not think because I was not raised in any religion.

    Ah yes, same here, I liked company, but small groups, one on one was always my favourite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ygolo View Post
    Wow! you post fast. I was adding a minor edit, by the time you posted.
    Who me? (I so hope you were talking to me otherwise my dance of pride will become a dance of shame lol)
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    Quote Originally Posted by toonia View Post
    There is a second aspect to I and E i have wondered about. That is the need to socialize in groups vs. with individuals. My preference is alone time or time spent one-on-one. Groups short-circuit me quickly, but my need for individual communication makes it on the radar for personal need, as does my alone time.
    I know this is not an absolute, but I've found that ENXPs prefer socializing with individuals or small groups as opposed to crowds. I've noticed that extroverted sensors enjoy crowds far more than me.

    I don't like crowds, unless I'm the center of attention.
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    Couldn't selfishness measure the degree of Introversion in a person?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sahara View Post
    Who me? (I so hope you were talking to me otherwise my dance of pride will become a dance of shame lol)
    I think it was me least, the post I was answering was edited.

    But in regards to the INTPc cross linked post, yes, along those lines


    If you take the biological basis, repression here would likely mean negative conditioning and a biological emphasis. You'd see how "E" they are if you find a way to either control or reduce the impact of the negative conditioning. that's the only real way to see if they are really "E", since otherwise they should be the same. The difference between an I suddenly wanting attention (ie: arousal) would be no different than an E not wanting to draw attention (ie: fear of reprisal, whatever it was that induced the repression in the first case).

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    Quote Originally Posted by athenian200 View Post
    Good question. I don't have any ideas I would trust, having only Ni and Fe to go on, but here's one anyway:

    I think that a repressed extravert would feel a sense of mild depression at being alone all the time, but feel powerless to change their situation, and grow accustomed to it. A true introvert would actually work to preserve their isolation.
    I feel like I'm a repressed extravert. I don't get depressed at being alone at all. I live alone..(totally enjoy that) and don't ness want to change that. I don't work to preserve my isolation but when I start having people over all the time (they'll ask to come over and of course I say sure come on over) I start to also after a bit (two weekends in a row) start craving my alone time.

    I don't think it's so cut and dried. I think there are dif levels of Extroversion just like their are dif levels of introversion and I fall into the section of E that really doesn't mind at all alone time. I wouldn't mind a few weekends of just me time.
    for my life is slowed up by thought and the need to understand what I am living.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sahara View Post
    Who me? (I so hope you were talking to me otherwise my dance of pride will become a dance of shame lol)
    I was originally refering to ptgatsby. But since you posted by the time I could post my amazement of his posting abilities, you're even more impressive.

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