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    Quote Originally Posted by Nadir View Post
    I also sense movement around the edge of my visual awareness, making me turn around/look behind occasionally, and this can be something extraordinarily uncomfortable for me in public places where I usually keep my head down and dare not make much eye contact -- but keep seeing other people the same way all the time, which usually results in me not recognizing familiar faces and the like.
    *nods* I have a tendency to do that as well... Actually when I was young, my dad use to comment how I shouldn't walk with my head down because it looks like I have little self confidence and is just scuttering along.

    Hmmm the thing with recognizing people, I tend to first notice the person's stance and how they move before focusing on their face...

    Quote Originally Posted by entropie View Post
    Sometimes though if you walk absent minded somewhere on the street, things are pretty less focussed. I still can react to sudden movements and catch things thrown at me from the side, but its more like "feeling" your way around, besides seeing where you go. (I am famous for running into closed glas doors)
    Running into stuff... Sometimes I do that too. Well not exactly, more like I just miss slamming into stuff. I stop like 1 cm away from the thing in front of me. And if somebody is behind me, they end up bumping into me because I stop so suddenly.

    I never deliberately thought about the concept, I always call it my matrix. Thats when you take in everything that is around you at once, without focussing on any specific detail, though still noticing every specific detail.
    So I take it you're attribute peripheral awareness to Ne. I wonder how different is Ne sort of awareness vs Ni...

    Quote Originally Posted by Bamboo View Post
    I'm a sensor.

    I think you might be right about sensors desiring to use focal vision in order to get detail, but I think I use my peripheral vision a lot also.

    I use my peripheral while riding my bike in traffic, it's pretty important crossing intersections. It's not all that useful when aiming a rifle, for instance, but it's actually not even useless then.

    How could I compare the two types of vision? One is blurry, seems to have less color/contrast. Focal vision is...brighter and lets me focus on stuff.
    So you use whichever that is the most useful to you. Would you say you'll use focal vision if it's convenient for you to do so and save peripheral vision for looking at objects in your periphery only?

    Quote Originally Posted by Pancreas View Post
    I donít know about others but I tend towards using both peripheral and focal vision at the same time, for as much time as possible. I want to see everything.
    Hmmm interesting. I usually don't attend to both. Mostly for spotting things I use peripheral only. I just find it easier if things are "blurred" so I don't have too much junk to distract me.

    I also got into trouble with my driving instructors because Iíd use my peripheral vision to check intersections and roundabouts and they wanted big visible head sweeps to the left and right to show them I was actually looking. I used to do this to appease them, but I donít anymore. A fuzzy moving thing approaching quickly somewhere on my left is the same as a red car accelerating towards me, in the long run.
    *nods* I can see that. You know something is there... do you NEED to know that's specifically a red car?
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    I always seem to be aware of peripheral. Though I do walk into stuff. So walls and doors mustn't be considered interesting enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nightning View Post
    Hmmm interesting. I usually don't attend to both. Mostly for spotting things I use peripheral only.
    Well, of course I usually favour one or the other (probably focal vision more so, but Iím often doing something which requires some level of clarity of vision). Iím pretty sure because I pay attention to both that what I see is not quite as detailed was what people who use mostly focal vision are getting though. So I get a bigger picture, but with less clarity. Or at least, thatís my excuse. ďItís not my fault, I just have balanced vision.Ē

    I just find it easier if things are "blurred" so I don't have too much junk to distract me.
    I focus more on peripheral vision when Iím zoned out. Perhaps this is why.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nightning View Post
    I have this random theory off the top of my head. Even though we normally associate sensing with observing our environment, I propose N dominant individuals tend to use their peripheral vision more often than S.

    The use of peripheral vision is normally associated with fuzzy shapes and sudden moving objects or shift in color/contrast at the corner of our eyes. Therefore Ns will focus and use more of their peripheral vision in taking in their environments. (e.g. "vague" impressions of overall shapes and movements as cues). The Ss in contrast prefer taking in details which leads to a proportionally greater use of their focal vision in comparison to their peripheral vision. Even though on average Ss will attend to more things they see (combined focal + peripheral) compared to the Ns.

    Prove me right or wrong here.
    From your personal experiences

    1. Do you agree or disagree with my crazy idea?
    1. Your type and how would you describe your peripheral vision/perception?
    2. Do you rely on peripheral vision often? How does your usage compare to your focal vision?
    3. Examples of how you use peripheral vision?
    A car approaches when I am about to cross the road.
    I do not turn my head. I cross the road.
    I stoop my shoulders. A message to the driver.
    A careless pedestrian shrunken in his thoughts.
    I bet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nightning View Post
    I have this random theory off the top of my head. Even though we normally associate sensing with observing our environment, I propose N dominant individuals tend to use their peripheral vision more often than S.

    The use of peripheral vision is normally associated with fuzzy shapes and sudden moving objects or shift in color/contrast at the corner of our eyes. Therefore Ns will focus and use more of their peripheral vision in taking in their environments. (e.g. "vague" impressions of overall shapes and movements as cues). The Ss in contrast prefer taking in details which leads to a proportionally greater use of their focal vision in comparison to their peripheral vision. Even though on average Ss will attend to more things they see (combined focal + peripheral) compared to the Ns.
    More like N focal vision is as fuzzy as S peripheral vision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nightning View Post
    I have this random theory off the top of my head. Even though we normally associate sensing with observing our environment, I propose N dominant individuals tend to use their peripheral vision more often than S.

    The use of peripheral vision is normally associated with fuzzy shapes and sudden moving objects or shift in color/contrast at the corner of our eyes. Therefore Ns will focus and use more of their peripheral vision in taking in their environments. (e.g. "vague" impressions of overall shapes and movements as cues). The Ss in contrast prefer taking in details which leads to a proportionally greater use of their focal vision in comparison to their peripheral vision. Even though on average Ss will attend to more things they see (combined focal + peripheral) compared to the Ns.

    Prove me right or wrong here.
    From your personal experiences

    1. Do you agree or disagree with my crazy idea?
    1. Your type and how would you describe your peripheral vision/perception?
    2. Do you rely on peripheral vision often? How does your usage compare to your focal vision?
    3. Examples of how you use peripheral vision?
    I kinda use peripheral to spot something that may somehow concern me in order to look directly at it. In that vague description driving is involved so those concerns are a 1000 per sec. Inturn, that may make me pretty good at it as an (N).
    everyone uses every function about evenly. take NE for example. if there are those who don't use it much, then why are there such massive amounts of people constantly flowing through Wallmart with 20 items or less?

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    Maybe (N)s are better at predicting what the peripheral info means (like what is about to happen and what they need to do to respond, allowing them to react quicker). Maybe because they intuit instead of access Si or something.

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    That's a great theory.
    But it doesn't work for people such as me who wear eyeglasses.
    We don't have good enough peripheral vision to make it useful, regardless of personality type.


    Quote Originally Posted by nightning View Post
    I have this random theory off the top of my head. Even though we normally associate sensing with observing our environment, I propose N dominant individuals tend to use their peripheral vision more often than S.

    The use of peripheral vision is normally associated with fuzzy shapes and sudden moving objects or shift in color/contrast at the corner of our eyes. Therefore Ns will focus and use more of their peripheral vision in taking in their environments. (e.g. "vague" impressions of overall shapes and movements as cues). The Ss in contrast prefer taking in details which leads to a proportionally greater use of their focal vision in comparison to their peripheral vision. Even though on average Ss will attend to more things they see (combined focal + peripheral) compared to the Ns.

    Prove me right or wrong here.
    From your personal experiences

    1. Do you agree or disagree with my crazy idea?
    1. Your type and how would you describe your peripheral vision/perception?
    2. Do you rely on peripheral vision often? How does your usage compare to your focal vision?
    3. Examples of how you use peripheral vision?
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    Are you INTJs forgetting you have Se?

    This peripheral vision skill you think you have, is it something you can keep attending to for long periods of time? If it's associated with Ni, the dominant process, it'd be well-powered, right? And you'd able to do it a lot. But if you're finding it comes and goes, or you can do it but after a short while you're thinking about something else, it's probably just good, old fashioned Se.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalach View Post
    Are you INTJs forgetting you have Se?

    This peripheral vision skill you think you have, is it something you can keep attending to for long periods of time? If it's associated with Ni, the dominant process, it'd be well-powered, right? And you'd able to do it a lot. But if you're finding it comes and goes, or you can do it but after a short while you're thinking about something else, it's probably just good, old fashioned Se.
    I used to think it's Se because it's vision after all... but it's not the same. I never look AT something. I notice its shape and movement. And from that I've fairly good at identifying what it is. For example I can pick out a bird or say a squirrel in the tree... but that's not because I "see" it. It's more like a change in shades and color in my peripheral vision. Then I see the shape (birds are mostly pear shaped) and go oh there it is. In other words, I'm good at pin pointing moving objects, but have lousy discrimination when it comes to still objects. I doubt SPs spot things this way.

    Perhaps it's limited Se feeding in a specific manner into Ni. It doesn't really take any effort but too much "noise" in the background makes it difficult.
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