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    half mystic, half skeksis jenocyde's Avatar
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    I don't know... my life is constantly fuzzy, but I am not going to deny that when it comes to decisions, mine are pretty black and white. I rarely make such decisions, though.

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    The Memes Justify the End EcK's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZiL View Post
    Gray fuzz, all day everyday. Drives other people insane, but what am I supposed to do about it?
    start wearing grey as a warning?
    Expression of the post modern paradox : "For the love of god, religions are so full of shit"

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    Quote Originally Posted by jenocyde View Post
    I don't know... my life is constantly fuzzy, but I am not going to deny that when it comes to decisions, mine are pretty black and white. I rarely make such decisions, though.
    decisions are to be made with the flip of a coin- therefore, if it turns out poorly it's the coin's fault!

    still kind of a gray area- I'm too damned indecisive because either neither option seems pleasant or both seem intriguing!
    “Oh, we're always alright. You remember that. We happen to other people.” -Terry Pratchett

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    Quote Originally Posted by whatever View Post
    decisions are to be made with the flip of a coin- therefore, if it turns out poorly it's the coin's fault!
    yup! I married the coin.

    And if 'in ur heart of heart' you wanted to pick the other one, u'll throw the coin again anyway. It's win win really.

    The coin is wise, praise the coin!
    Expression of the post modern paradox : "For the love of god, religions are so full of shit"

    Theory is always superseded by Fact...
    ... In theory.

    “I’d hate to die twice. It’s so boring.”
    Richard Feynman's last recorded words

    "Great is the human who has not lost his childlike heart."
    Mencius (Meng-Tse), 4th century BCE

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    Quote Originally Posted by EcK View Post
    That's because ur an infj with a pimped up Ti, not an entp.


    edit: I think the main problem here is that I and perhaps entps in general will even argue expressions such as 'black and white' and 'fuzziness'. You could say for example that in the end if there's an absolute truth there's a level of 'black and white interpretation' to everything, but then again even if you had that knowledge it'd still be like seeing an apple, what you see is just a construct based upon a 'reality' (you can't even say thing, things are a mental construct).
    And hell, I could argue every single world for a year if I wanted to be 'precise', so I can't work in 'black and white'.

    Think of a quantum computer, the 0\1 can be 60% at 0 and 40% at 1. It's the same thing.
    I think that's what Ne+Ti is about.

    Ni+Ti for example would rather be about taking 0 and 1, and zooming in to 10^-15 using different perspectives just as science uses different technics for different measured scales.
    I agree; you said what I meant to say. Describing a phenomenon is a matter of coming up with a framework that accounts for all data (no exceptions). That framework is made up N intersecting spectrums (N dimensional), which can either be discrete (binary) or continuous.

    I'm just arguing against half-assing theories. Or people that say "well, you know, phenomenon x just can't be explained -- it's too complex".

    For every data set, there are an infinite amount of hypothetical theories that are consistent with that data. Most of the time, it's not too hard to find one. Bayes rule, blah blah, etc. etc.

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    Although I dont know what Evan is talking about I probably can relate to him on this one.

    I think the Black and White view could be a thing, strong Ti and Te can fall victim too. I furthermore think, if you have a strong Fe or Fi its also possible to black and white the world, even when the view would be more personalized.

    All in all I think it is a rational function expression.

    In the world of the Senses or the possibilities I hardly think it is possible to limit or sort out your perception. As in: it is not possible to draw one meaning from this piece of art, which is made of a 1000 different colors or this relationship between the two, which was influenced through a 1000 different occasions.
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    I don't see the world in black and white in the conventional sense.
    I consider myself to be an opportunist and will change my mind if it is reasonable.

    The only way I see the world in black and white is that reason is my guide to life and if something conflicts with reason, I will discard it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evan View Post
    Ti strives for clarity. If something is gray, it just means you need to come up with a better framework.

    I hate it when things are gray -- I just take it as a sign that I need to think through it better.

    P.S. Fuzziness is different than continuous functions. The opposite of discrete is not fuzzy, it's continuous. I consider spectrums to be black and white (black on one side, white on the other...it's still one dimensional...)

    Also, I'm not saying everything is one dimensional. I'm just saying -- if your framework (some amount of intersecting spectrums) cannot accurately describe a phenomenon with no exceptions, it's not a good framework.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeonardoLestat View Post
    It's smart.
    It's striking.
    It's correct.
    and it's obvious :rolleyes2:
    Expression of the post modern paradox : "For the love of god, religions are so full of shit"

    Theory is always superseded by Fact...
    ... In theory.

    “I’d hate to die twice. It’s so boring.”
    Richard Feynman's last recorded words

    "Great is the human who has not lost his childlike heart."
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    Quote Originally Posted by EcK View Post
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    That's because ur an infj with a pimped up Ti, not an entp.
    Still, a J and not a P. NP vs NJ perhaps.
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