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    Quote Originally Posted by digesthisickness View Post
    i must have been a different type in high school.
    Yeah me too, I was very shy and quiet, and though I thought lots of whacky stuff, I was way too shy to say it. I was mostly thought of as the oddball, weirdo, etc. It wasn't until my late twenties that the word people used started to be 'eccentric', in a good way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by substitute View Post
    Yeah me too, I was very shy and quiet, and though I thought lots of whacky stuff, I was way too shy to say it. I was mostly thought of as the oddball, weirdo, etc. It wasn't until my late twenties that the word people used started to be 'eccentric', in a good way.
    Well, I did describe the ENTP as "inventive" and an "off-the-wall thinker." And I have perceived them as being the funniest of all types. Where the ESxPs seem to be the ones who constantly laugh at the same things (often being the ones who make the same jokes revolving around bodily functions), the ENxPs tends to see humor in practically everything. Their humor is generally more cerebral and witty and sometimes corny, which leads more mainstream types to perceive them as stupid or obnoxious.

    And for the record, I keep saying I was perceived as an ENTP on the outside, but I knew that I was more introverted, because I covered up my inner self behind the ENTP blanket (which is the same order of my functions, but in the opposite direction). But yes, people perceived me as an Extravert, but I never had friends.

    What I meant by the ENTP's superficiality is their tendency to trivialize everything -- because they're generally really good at satire and tend not to be politically correct. It is especially the ENTP's nature, I hypothesize, to do and say things for their shock value. (Although "shock value" is in the domain of N, period.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uberfuhrer View Post
    And which one are you?
    Whoa, I forgot I took my type down. INTP

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uberfuhrer View Post
    It is especially the ENTP's nature, I hypothesize, to do and say things for their shock value. (Although "shock value" is in the domain of N, period.)
    Not purely for their shock value - the shock isn't what I'm looking for. It's more an experiment, a sort of "What happens if...?" To see what people say, to test possibilities, steer the reactions and plant seeds, etc... it's not purely to get attention or shock people. I know it'll shock, but I want to know what will happen AFTER that, I theorize about it and then test the theory, and see if I can control it.

    EDIT - also, quite often I'm actually just as shocked that people are shocked, as they are at what I said!! And I know I can seem to trivialize things (I've had it said to me: "Don't you ever take anything seriously?"), but that's generally a misperception. Just because I'm able to joke about something and see the funny side, doesn't mean I don't also take it seriously. To assume that were the case would be, I think, a very superficial judgement
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    Quote Originally Posted by substitute View Post
    Not purely for their shock value - the shock isn't what I'm looking for. It's more an experiment, a sort of "What happens if...?" To see what people say, to test possibilities, steer the reactions and plant seeds, etc... it's not purely to get attention or shock people. I know it'll shock, but I want to know what will happen AFTER that, I theorize about it and then test the theory, and see if I can control it.

    EDIT - also, quite often I'm actually just as shocked that people are shocked, as they are at what I said!! And I know I can seem to trivialize things (I've had it said to me: "Don't you ever take anything seriously?"), but that's generally a misperception. Just because I'm able to joke about something and see the funny side, doesn't mean I don't also take it seriously. To assume that were the case would be, I think, a very superficial judgement
    I'm thinking, also, that the NP would use "goofy" shock value while the NJ would use "blunt and angry" shock value, generally speaking. I think this is also more likely when Intuition is dominant and accessed before the judgment function.

    Where the ENxP and INxJ generally would "shock" first and then reason with their secondary judgment (T or F, both of which are the functions that create intelligence), I think the ENxJ and INxP would reason first before shocking conventional norms. And so in the case of those two, shock value becomes less for the sheer pleasure of doing it.

    Now in the case of Sensors, they are more smooth. The ESxP would dive into a fun activity before using judgment to consider its impact. Se can be creative in this process, but that's not Se's main objective. The ISxJ would conform first before considering impact, because conforming is what Si does. And this is what makes Si to be a "rule-following doormat" without the development of judgment.

    Likewise, the ESxJ and ISxP would use judgment first and see the consequences before conforming (in the ESxJ's case) or acting on impulse (in the ISxP's case).

    And so dominant judgment rather than dominant perception is what makes people more sensible and then perceived as more intelligent by society, whether it be analytical (in the case of T) or compassionate (in the case of F).

    It could be that you've developed your Ti to the point where you're able to limit Ne's idiosyncratic desires.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uberfuhrer View Post
    It could be that you've developed your Ti to the point where you're able to limit Ne's idiosyncratic desires.
    Possibly, as I did behave more like an INTP for the first part of my life, and I also have quite highly developed Te. But I tend to use my Ne-Ti axis much like Jack Sparrow: throw out crazy, rapid-fire stuff to bamboozle people, thereby buying myself time to think around and ahead of them.
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    That didn't describe me too well, and I'm in high school right now. It was too vague... it had a couple of points that sort of fit, but it was just too vague to fit in.

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    SPs
    This is the group that the principals and teachers hate because they are hard to discipline. They rebel for the sole purpose of enjoyment. Although they cause trouble, they have a reasonably easy time getting out of it. For this reason, the intelligence of this group is often underestimated.

    INTP: The Know-it-all
    The INTP is the one who is book-smart and deeply knowledgeable. They are collectors of trivia regardless of its practicality. They are likely to have esoteric interests or otherwise interests atypical of others in their age group. Like other NTs, and especially the ENTP, the INTP likely has a unique, quirky sense of humor. They are usually intellectually playful, but have trouble taking things seriously. They lack the awareness of social cues, such as how they come across to others, but like other NTs, they often don't care.
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    That sounds like how I was. I was the quiet guy who knew all the answers but I never did my work because I didn't care and dropped out. Not really anonymous fade into the background quiet, I maintained a presence but I didn't say much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uberfuhrer View Post
    I'm in a stereotyping mood today, so don't mind me. Just making a few more nicknames. Don't worry, I'll hate all types equally:

    SJs
    This is the group that the principals and teachers love. They are the example setters for the rest of the school to follow. They are the smart ones who study hard and probably will be voted as "Most Likely to Succeed."

    ESTJ: The Valedictorian
    The ultimate example setter for an American male teen. People admire this type for being practically good at everything. They get good grades, are socially active, and are generally attractive and charming. Usually very mature for their age, because they know how to set limits for themselves. However, they are often intolerant of those who don't conform.

    ISTJ: The Hall Monitor
    These people are similar to the ESTJs, but quieter. They often do well in school, are well-rounded, and possibly active in extracurricular activities. May be independent, but will conform if it helps them meet a strategic goal. They are probably the most uptight. However, like the ESTJ, they are critical of the others who don't conform to the established ideals.

    ESFJ: The Preppy
    The model student for an American female teen. Interested in makeup, clothing, and anything trendy, usually to appear more socially desirable. Therefore, they seem to be interested in all kinds of music, movies, and other forms of entertainment. They like small dogs, say "Ewww!!!" a lot, and they're afraid of spiders and Goth kids.

    ISFJ: The Doormat
    The ultimate loyal followers. Whatever "group" they are affiliated with, they will be unbending to its cause. Goes along with other people's plans lest it damage their friendships. They are often chameleons -- they do things because their friends do it, and they are generally very effective at it.

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    SPs
    This is the group that the principals and teachers hate because they are hard to discipline. They rebel for the sole purpose of enjoyment. Although they cause trouble, they have a reasonably easy time getting out of it. For this reason, the intelligence of this group is often underestimated.

    ESTP: The Jock
    Like the ESTJ, the ESTP is handsome and charming in appearance, but is more of a free spirit. The ESTP's goal is probably more geared toward their chosen interest for the pure enjoyment rather than setting an example. Hence, the ESTP won't hesitate if he enjoys a more underground life. The ESTP is perceived as either the "star" or the "bully." The ESTP is liked for his "bad boy" persona.

    ISTP: The Warrior
    Somewhat like the ESTP, but quieter. This type is highly skilled with mechanical things, and possibly a math whiz. People are probably drawn to this type because of his mysterious aura. A male ISTP will quite possibly be perceived by women as "sexy" because of his graceful movements in performance. His earthiness plus enigma makes his appeal possibly even more intense than the ESTP. The ISTP is both smart and practical.

    ESFP: The Hedonist
    Here we have the ultimate fun and pleasure seeker who loves life and the people within it. Probably the most impulsive type and most likely to be diagnosed with ADHD. They enjoy exploring the world for the pleasure in of itself. Always makes the best of things, and is arguably the happiest of all types.

    ISFP: The Art Connoisseur
    Like the ESFP, appreciates aesthetic experiences, but is more personal. This often leads the ISFP to display an independent streak and a knack for artistic performance. And so, this type is more likely to be involved in artistic performance such as dance, modeling, or painting. Displays a subtle flamboyancy and quiet narcissism. Others accuse this type as being snobby.

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    NTs
    People of this group are, much like the SPs, overlooked for their intelligence. However, while the SPs are perceived as being hyperactive, the NTs are perceived as socially dysfunctional in one way or another.

    ENTJ: The Punk
    This type likely to be perceived as the ESTJ's deviant twin. Rather than conforming, the ENTJ is highly critical of the status quo and has no fear of expressing and acting upon it in the world. Here we have the original visionary pioneer or unforgiving misanthrope. Very simply, the ENTJ does not take things the way they are. The ENTJ may also seem like the ESTP, either a jock or a bully. If a jock, the ENTJ sees a strategic purpose behind it, while the ESTP sees enjoyment. If a bully, while the ESTP may simply enjoy teasing others for fun, the ENTJ acts out of vengeance.

    INTJ: The Rebel
    Think of the INTJ as an ENTJ on the inside. This means that an INTJ probably has similar values as the ENTJ, but unlike the ENTJ, the INTJ has a certain lack of confidence, and so lives their visions in their internal world. INTJs likely have a vision of a change, but has less confidence in applying it. And where the ENTJ is confident about standing up to enemies, perhaps dreaming up and applying creative methods of defeat, the INTJ lives it in his/her mind.

    ENTP: The Joker
    The ENTP is the original goofball and ultimate punster. The ENTP can be extremely inventive and have unique off-the-wall ideas, but most types dismiss them as being ridiculous. The ENTP is likely perceived as an underachiever and possibly even stupid and obnoxious. And so, despite being Extraverts, they are sometimes not particularly socially desirable. Others perceive them as entertaining, funny, and all around good company, but ultimately superficial.

    INTP: The Know-it-all
    The INTP is the one who is book-smart and deeply knowledgeable. They are collectors of trivia regardless of its practicality. They are likely to have esoteric interests or otherwise interests atypical of others in their age group. Like other NTs, and especially the ENTP, the INTP likely has a unique, quirky sense of humor. They are usually intellectually playful, but have trouble taking things seriously. They lack the awareness of social cues, such as how they come across to others, but like other NTs, they often don't care.

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    NFs

    ENFJ: The Trend Setter
    These are the world's humanistic idealists. They are often very artistic in their approach; they are often funky dressers or else have their own unique way of expressing themselves. The ENFJ is both conservative in that they like order, but also unconventional in their style and views. This is why practically every type is drawn to the ENFJ. Their innovations are masked by their outer seductiveness, whether they realize it or not.

    INFJ: The Romantic
    On the inside, this type is similar to the INTJ, but the persona they show to the world couldn't be more different. Where the INTJ is the critic (or misanthrope) who sometimes comes off as a jerk, the INFJ is much more pleasant on the outside. They somewhat resemble the ISFJ in that they are often used as "doormats" because they don't wish to damage their relationships. True also, that both the INFJ and ISFJ can be insecure, but where the ISFJ generally sweeps their inner processes under the rug, the INFJ sweeps their outer perceptions under the rug in favor of walking their inner landscape where they live their unconscious desires.

    ENFP: The Drama Queen
    At first glance, the ENFP may seem like the ESFP, but where the ESFP is a dramatic realist, the ENFP is the dramatic idealist (hence their nickname). Where ESFPs are their own personalities, the ENFP dreams of an idealized sense of self, which could lead them to be either fantastic actors and actresses or cunning manipulators. The ENFP's habit of idealizing the self and the world around around them place a risk of confusing their own reality. And so the ENFP is deep in the sense that they are perceptive and can create a fantasy out of world around them, a gift that could make them into astonishing storytellers (or pathological liars), but also shallow in that they may lose their own true identity.

    INFP: The Pagan
    A quiet form of the ENFP. They share the ENFP's trait of idealizing the outer world and leading their own path, but they have better balance between the outer world and their own inner reflection. The INFP shares rich personal ideals with the ISFP and an active fantasy life with the ENFP. But where the ISFP's ideals are mostly geared around physicality (comfort and beauty), the INFP's ideals are often unattainable in present physical reality, and can only be lived through imagination, which they have a desire to express through an artistic media. Their easy-going yet dreamy, ethereal nature leads the typical INFP to be perceived as the "Pagan" wanderer.
    I am usually the one who is bored all the time but knows everything once the teacher asks some unrelated questions. Other than that, I really 'wander' in a way.

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    Also, why are teachers so stupid and disrespect the P types? They're stupid themselves then.

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