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    Default The Sensing-Intuitive Look-a-like

    Temperament pairs do very similar things. They can act and behave alike, and they usually have a very similar temperament and even a similar world-view. You can easily confuse the two personalities when looking at intentions, but they both have different intentions, being of a different quadra of temperament of course, you can imagine of sensing vs intuiting differences.

    I discovered that every sensor has a temperament pair intuitor, and that has to do with their temperament, of the four. Both NTs and SPs are pragmatic and both NFs and SJs are cooperative. This poses as the most accurate scale for comparison between Ss and Ns as divided units.

    I found that if one type is a Melancholic-Sanguine, Melancholic stands for IT, and Sanguine stands for SP, the ISTP will have a Look-a-like of a Melancholic-Choleric, aka the INTJ. They have a knack for the schedule and act out plans in an order of standards and have similar temporary intentions. Body language can even be quite indistinguishable. They most likely have a differed outlook on life, but they chose to act quite similarly and I've heard specifics on type relation from many people. but not this general concept.

    I'm backing up this theory with all the other types. I'd like critique, but also I want people to fill out some definitions and similarities on the temperament pairs. If you have something authentic to contribute, I will add it to the list.

    So you know how it works.
    Temperament X - Unification 1 ~ Temperament X - Unification 2...
    So Melancholic Sanguine ~ Melancholic Choleric.
    Help me make this clearer if I have failed to do so.
    I'm not really copying socionics, and atleast I don't think I am copying something else, but it is pretty obvious, I've heard various opinions about a few of these, collected them, and I'm sure it can be agreed upon/changed for the better or destruction if its just a bunch of sling-druble.

    Temperament Pairs

    INTJ-ISTP (need definition) Melancholic Pragmatic
    INFJ-ISTJ (need definition) Melancholic Cooperative
    INTP-ISFP (need definition) Phlegmatic Pragmatic
    INFP-ISFJ (need definition) Phlegmatic Cooperative
    ENTJ-ESTP (need definition) Choleric Pragmatic
    ENFJ-ESTJ (need definition) Choleric Cooperative
    ENTP-ESFP (need definition) Sanguine Pragmatic
    ENFP-ESFJ (need definition) Sanguine Cooperative

    I don't know yet too much that this analysis can be used for, but alteast its something. I'm going to bum food at a party now.
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    I'm still trying to get the gist of what exactly you're asking for, but as far as S/N is concerned, the letters that determine the Interaction Style (the first temperament in those hybrids) or the conative temperament (the second, and which are divided by cooperative and pragmatic) switch back and forth along the lines of S/N. That's because in Kant's temperament system concrete perception (of "Beauty") or lack thereof tied together the opposite temperaments, and basically twisted everything up when the systems came together in the 16 types. So for S's, T/F is Interaction Style and J/P is conative. For N's, J/P is Interaction Style and T/F is conative. I/E of course, always ties to the Interaction Style, and Cooperative/.Pragmatic is always conative.

    Interesting idea of pairing types up along those lines. Let's see where it goes.
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    INFJ ISTJ?

    Eh.

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    You can't really argue that the INFJs and ISTJs physical attitudes are almost exactly alike. I've know many of them in real life and they all pretty much act the same in usual circumstances.

    It's the Melancholy-Cooperative attitude.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric B View Post
    Cooperative/.Pragmatic is always conative.
    True. I believe they are conative. I just don't know to what extent. And didn't you mention something about the similar events orginazation styles of the INTJ and ISTP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lemons View Post
    You can't really argue that the INFJs and ISTJs physical attitudes are almost exactly alike. I've know many of them in real life and they all pretty much act the same in usual circumstances.

    It's the Melancholy-Cooperative attitude.
    I agree with this. My ISTJ and I act fairly similar.

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    ENFP-ESFJ???!!! Whaaaat?
    Both from a (limited, granted) understanding of type and personal experience - I'd say that doesn't ring right for me in the slightest.

    My best friend is an ESFJ. We don't act alike in the slightest - other than both being extroverted and having similar interests (the latter being totally independent of type)

    Every socionics site I've been on has read that ESFP is an ENFP's look-alike, and THAT rings with more truth, imo. (Again - both from my understanding of type and from personal experience. The ESFP I know and I can seem very alike on a superficial level - in truth, we are not at all but we look alike)

    EDIT: Just realised your theory is not socionics-based?
    Nonetheless - in regards to ESFJ/ENFP at the very least - I disagree.
    Last edited by FantailedWall; 02-09-2009 at 12:14 AM. Reason: Just realised you're theory is not socionics-based?

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    Possibly one of you isn't Sanguine? Not all ENFPs/ESFJs are Sanguine, but I am quite sure most of them are.

    Or maybe you are just too original to act alike? For instance I know some INTJs who would not certainly expect were INTJ.

    If I knew two personalities were literally Sanguine Cooperative, I'd expect them to at least act more alike than other possible combinations, verbal language aside. There is also the case where my friend acts different toward me even though he's an ISTP, but he totally faults this theory even though I know he acts like me when I'm not around. Yet he'd rather find it easy to be with me than to start N/S relationship conflict. Simply put he doesn't know how to act like an INTJ, so he tries to act like an ENTP, which is cool enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lemons View Post
    ENFP-ESFJ
    I disagree.
    ENFP-ESFP are moore look-alike than ENFP-ESFJ.

    In my opinion SJ-NF aren't alike, especially STJ's are very far from NF's.
    Use another temperament sorting:
    NF, NT, ST, SF

    Then
    NF look alike SF
    NT look alike ST

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    Quote Originally Posted by alcea rosea View Post
    I disagree.
    ENFP-ESFP are moore look-alike than ENFP-ESFJ.

    In my opinion SJ-NF aren't alike, especially STJ's are very far from NF's.
    Use another temperament sorting:
    NF, NT, ST, SF

    Then
    NF look alike SF
    NT look alike ST
    From my perspective, ENFP and ESFJ act quite alike. Their intentions are at least slightly off, they come off quite differently in language, they have their own limits because they function uniquely. But their manner is definitely more similar than ENFJ-ESFJ or ENFP-ESFP.

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