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  • I am an INTJ and I believe that I have never really suffered from it

    15 13.64%
  • I am an INTJ and I believe that I used to suffer from it, but have overcome it

    14 12.73%
  • I am an INTJ and I believe that I suffer from it, but I am working to overcome it

    20 18.18%
  • I am an INFJ and I believe that I have never really suffered from it

    12 10.91%
  • I am an INFJ and I believe that I used to suffer from it, but have overcome it

    6 5.45%
  • I am an INFJ and I believe that I suffer from it, but I am working to overcome it

    11 10.00%
  • I am not an INXJ and I find that practically all INTJs suffer from it

    17 15.45%
  • I am not an INXJ and I find that 50% of INTJs or more suffer from it

    8 7.27%
  • I am not an INXJ and I find that fewer than 50% of INTJs suffer from it

    7 6.36%
  • I am not an INXJ and I find that this is not really a problem area for INTJs

    3 2.73%
  • I am not an INXJ and I find that practically all INFJs suffer from it

    10 9.09%
  • I am not an INXJ and I find that 50% of INFJs or more suffer from it

    9 8.18%
  • I am not an INXJ and I find that fewer than 50% of INFJs suffer from it

    8 7.27%
  • I am not an INXJ and I find that this is not really a problem area for INFJs

    8 7.27%
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    Quote Originally Posted by hatchback176 View Post
    Hatchback: Really interesting information. I think I'll check out your links instead of working hard today.
    Relationships have normal ebbs and flows. They do not automatically get better and better when the participants learn more and more about each other. Instead, the participants have to work through the tensions of the relationship (the dialectic) while they learn and group themselves and a parties in a relationships. At times the relationships is very open and sharing. Other time, one or both parties to the relationship need their space, or have other concerns, and the relationship is less open. The theory posits that these cycles occur throughout the life of the relationship as the persons try to balance their needs for privacy and open relationship.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hatchback176 View Post
    Characteristics of Creative People...
    Thinking Abilities
    • Use metaphors in thinking
    • Flexible decision maker
    • Uses broad categories
    • Uses mental images
    • Can cope with novelty
    • Can break mental sets
    • Finds order in chaos

    Personality Characteristics
    • Willing to take intellectual risk
    • Curiousity and inquisitiveness
    • Openness to new experiences
    • Tolerates ambiguity
    • Broad range of interests
    • Playful with ideas
    • Intuitive

    Thinking Styles
    • Challenges assumptions
    • Looks for novelty and gaps in knowledge
    • Draws new ideas out of existing knowledge
    That's my understanding of the INTJ mind. What aspects are different?

    I've noticed the times I communicate with the most certitude is when there is a discussion that refuses to view an important angle. I myself am not typically resolved on the matter, but my motivation for what appears to be certitude occurs when there is refusal to consider an idea before dismissing it. This is especially true if the alternate viewpoint is critical for some reason. It feels like an instinct to balance the pool of ideas when there is a perceived lack of balance. It occurs most strongly when there is a sense of group think happening. I'd be curious how this applies to other INXJ's.

    One time this happened was when people were ridiculing Creationists as lesser humans. It was not my purpose to debate the issue of Origins, but to make the point that there is a reason those people have come to their conclusions and it is important to not dismiss them as human beings. People who assume a superior stance without examining the world view of another person trigger a more aggressive style in my communication. This doesn't typically happen when a defense for the alternate world view is already represented in the discussion.
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    Well it's one thing to be talking with an INTJ and call them close-minded and another thing to be
    1) Walking around with cards that you give to people
    2) Give them a card/external-standard when they're getting stuffy

    I think one of the funnest things in the world is to try and get inside the mind of another ENTJ/INTJ since it requires so much strategy/tactics.

    Something else kind of interesting when I think about what an esfp would do is
    Drama Theory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Splashing lots of attention, showing lots of enthusiasm, creating big displays, speed, speed, speed. Things that knock them out of their preparations.

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    I find myself agreeing with a lot of what is being said in here. I have often expressed my reasoning for always believing that I am right by saying that I am right "until further notice", and once this further notice comes I am simply right NOW. Almost thought I was alone in that...so much for being unique. Economica forgot an important voting option, however.

    "I am an INTJ and I believe that I do not suffer from closed-minded certitude. I quite enjoy it."
    But sir, your opinion is wrong.
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    I'm not sure what to vote exactly. My sister is INTJ and as much as I love her she can be like that sometimes for sure. I know a couple of INFJ (including my cousin who is one of my best friends) and I don't think it describes them so much.

    But yah, my sister definitely has this "I'm right" attitude a lot of the time and she beleives she is "above" things (like my messy basement, among other things) and I tell her to get off her high horse :steam: Anyway, so it applies to some people and not others.

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    Isn't considering an entire type close minded kinda well, close minded?

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    Oh my god this is a perfect time to revive this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmie Dearest View Post
    Oh my god this is a perfect time to revive this thread.
    No. You are wrong.

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    There's that pesky closed-minded certitude!

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    Ok, but where is the "I am INTJ, closed minded, but I quite proud of it actually" option ?

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