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    *beep* *mechanical voice* has someone seen my good morning coffee ? *beep* Nevermind, just passing through
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evan View Post
    Humans are computers.
    I'm a Mac, what...what... are you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    Metaphors do appear to be hazy when they are precise and complex - the structure of a metaphor is -

    As A is to B so C is to D

    So a metaphor is a comparison of relatioinships.

    And a metaphor is at a higher cognitive level than a literal description.

    And it is interesting that very small children do not understand metaphors nor like them. But once they reach a certain development age, they understand metaphors and delight in them.

    And metaphors are why computers can't pass the Turing test.
    Ah. I guess the reason why I have trouble with MBTI is because the metaphor, in this case, is too complex and has too many possible interpretations, to the point that I don't know which one is appropriate to each situation in any way that I can explain easily if you don't already see it from my perspective. So at this point, I end up playing with it and trying to guess at various things that could make sense rather than using it very seriously, believing that something actually does make sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Athenian200 View Post
    Ah. I guess the reason why I have trouble with MBTI is because the metaphor, in this case, is too complex and has too many possible interpretations, to the point that I don't know which one is appropriate to each situation in any way that I can explain easily if you don't already see it from my perspective. So at this point, I end up playing with it and trying to guess at various things that could make sense rather than using it very seriously, believing that something actually does make sense.
    I think it is a good question: what are metaphors good for?

    I don't know the answer so I can only poke at it from the side.

    For instance, metaphors are good for poetry.
    Metaphors seem to delight us.

    Lexicographers say that if you trace language right back, it is all metaphoric.

    Oddly enough people think that metaphors are hazy while they are the opposite - actually metaphors are precise and complex.

    And although each metaphor is limited, metaphors seem to spring afresh from metaphors - it is almost as though metaphors evolve.

    If a literal description is cognitive level 1, metaphors are cognitive level 3.

    And because literal descriptions and metaphors talk about the same things, using the same language, they are often confused.

    And humour, for instance, seems to be related to metaphor.

    But what all this means, I don't know.

    What we need is a good metaphor to explain it all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    I'm a Mac, what...what... are you?
    I'm an Autonomic Network

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    I'm a Mac too!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    I'm a Mac, what...what... are you?
    A carbon based parallel processing machine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    I'm a Mac, what...what... are you?
    I'm an IBM machine, I guess.

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