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    Distinction? INTJ's are actually sane and reasonable people!

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    Quote Originally Posted by nozflubber View Post
    Distinction? INTJ's are actually sane and reasonable people!
    WRONG!
    both are Ni dominant - you want two cranks who will consider any idea game?
    get these two in a room with some lasagna and halo, watch it fly
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    Attitude towards people is a dead giveaway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nozflubber View Post
    Distinction? INTJ's are actually sane and reasonable people!
    I know what you're trying to say and I would only disagree based on the fact that there are several INTJ's here that are not mentally well (one perhaps mia). Any type can have mental issues which will throw things off when trying to type them which is why MBTI is an indicator.

    When it comes to dealing with others, my husband will go further in life because I can be too pissy when I don't get my way. It's likely nothing to do with being any certain type, other than I am an only child and grew up spoiled by my grandparents. There are many things to consider when "typing" people.
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    Considering that INFJs are introverts whose extraverted function equates "success" with popularity, I'm surprised the lot of 'em isn't even more screwed up than they seem to be. (Particularly when you take into account that the best ideas an INXJ will come up with fly in the face of the status quo and require you to disregard the opinions of the vast majority of people if you intend upon seeing them to fruition.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Considering that INFJs are introverts whose extraverted function equates "success" with popularity, I'm surprised the lot of 'em isn't even more screwed up than they seem to be. (Particularly when you take into account that the best ideas an INXJ will come up with fly in the face of the status quo and require you to disregard the opinions of the vast majority of people if you intend upon seeing them to fruition.)
    This is indeed what makes an INFJ a peculiar type, the strangest of all no doubt.

    It should be noted however that Introverted Intuition precedes Extroverted Feeling in the psyche of the INFJ. The two functions have a master-slave relationship, as this is the relationship all dominant functions have with regard to the lower faculties.

    By itself, one may argue that Fe does tend to equate success with popularity, however the way the Fe of the INFJ works is very heavily influenced by Introverted Intuition. Introverted Intuition tends to be chiefly concerned with conjuring novel ideas, especially in relation to its external environment. (The external environment is relevant because Ni is a perceiving function and all perceiving functions tend to be concerned with their environment, as the environment is what is perceived. For this reason INJs are renowned as social critics and champions of moral or political views. Nietzsche, Sartre, Simon de Beauvoir and Ayn Rand are cases in point.) Extroverted Feeling, as aforementioned, is subordinated to Introverted Intuition. Hence, very often the INFJ manipulates the social conventions to the end of promoting their vision.

    Hence, unlike an Fe dominant type, instead of behaving in accordance with the social conventions, the INFJ behaves in accordance to what he/she feels the social conventions should be like. It should be noted however that despite the fact that Introverted Intuition is superior to Extroverted Feeling in the psyche of the INFJ, Introverted Intuition by itself does not easily give one a clear perspective on life. That is the case because it merely leads to hunches and not coherent ideas. For this reason the INFJ reluctantly obeys social conventions as he or she cannot find a compelling reason to stand by their visions. In most cases however, the natural individualistic disposition of the INFJ prevails and he/she disregards the social convention in favor of following his or her vision. Because the INFJ sees no justifiable reason to behave in a way they did in that case, they experience inner conflict.

    Ni is highly individualistic and idiosyncratic, Fe is conventional and collectivistic. Unless the INFJ has a highly cultivated Thinking faculty they cannot conclusively decide which way of behaving is appropriate. The one they have a hunch is appropriate (Ni way) or what they 'know' to be appropriate as a result of convention worshipping (Fe).

    There is no doubt in my mind that this is the type most affected by inner turmoil.
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    Hence, unlike an Fe dominant type, instead of behaving in accordance with the social conventions, the INFJ behaves in accordance to what he/she feels the social conventions should be like. It should be noted however that despite the fact that Introverted Intuition is superior to Extroverted Feeling in the psyche of the INFJ, Introverted Intuition by itself does not easily give one a clear perspective on life. That is the case because it merely leads to hunches and not coherent ideas. In most cases however, the natural individualistic disposition of the INFJ prevails and he/she disregards the social convention in favor of following his or her vision.
    That is definitely my experience with one online. Seemed to make up her own social conventions ("serious" discussion on type only), project them on everyone else based on "hunches", and then judge me as having no Fe based on that. In order to be an INTP with even inferior Fe, I should have been able to "get cues" like she supposedly did. I was just starting to learn the cognitive processes, but now I can see that was Ni, not Fe being described. And she was disregarding the group conventions more than I was! I was starting to wonder if maybe NTJ was more accurate, but this would explain it.
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    My dad is an INTJ. The only thing that I notice is that we usually don't talk much for to long if we are together. I find it very odd since we are both using the same dominant function. We have completely different interest. He just could not be bothered about my ideas. To me he seems even more in his own world then I am. A telefoncall takes us around half a minute. We directly say what we want without chit chat. We tend to see the same problems arising and there seems to be some silent understanding so we don't have to exchange much talk on this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Considering that INFJs are introverts whose extraverted function equates "success" with popularity, I'm surprised the lot of 'em isn't even more screwed up than they seem to be. (Particularly when you take into account that the best ideas an INXJ will come up with fly in the face of the status quo and require you to disregard the opinions of the vast majority of people if you intend upon seeing them to fruition.)
    I read they're the type most likely to have an eating disorder. INTJs second. Not sure why.

    Purely anecdotal: The people I've known of both types (and genders), are really preoccupied with their appearance. Not clothing etc. Just the body. Mine manifests in trying to be healthy (pescetarian, raw foodist that works out 5 times a week). Most would label me a health nut, going way beyond what is necessary. No. I'm not a bleeding heart hippie. I could care less about animal rights.

    Is that a combination of Ni and inferior Se?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 01011010 View Post
    I read they're the type most likely to have an eating disorder. INTJs second. Not sure why.

    Purely anecdotal: The people I've known of both types (and genders), are really preoccupied with their appearance. Not clothing etc. Just the body. Mine manifests in trying to be healthy. Though, most would call me a health nut, going way beyond what is necessary. Is that inferior Se?
    I think INXJ are just very controlled and disciplined as a means of feeling secure. As introverts their domain is their mind and body so they flex this control and discipline there.
    "Create like a god, command like a king, work like a slave."

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