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    Quote Originally Posted by noigmn View Post
    hehe, poor Poe.

    When I say the moon, I talk of the thing I call the moon. There is no way to know that two people's brains even construct things the same way. We've all learnt of an object in the sky and seen it, but to one human it might be made of cheese and to another it may be a piece of a planetary system they have also learn about or studied. So perceptual distance exists to start with.

    When we learn of the moon we learn through measurement. We see an object in the sky with our eyes that gets tagged as 'moon'. When we see the object again, we think 'moon'. When we discuss the object, we call it 'moon'. In that sense 'moon' exists in our perception. The originally referenced object does not. The fact is the object we have referenced never exists in our perception, just a shadow of it. The object does exist though, we can just never completely capture it.

    People like to be ego-centric. Hence the idea that there is nothing real outside our perception. But maybe there is nothing truly real within our perception and the non-existence lies with us, not the objects we reference. If we don't look at the moon, it may not exist to us. But its existence is not dependent on us. The line should be we can't know it exists, not that it doesn't exist. There is a big difference. It was there before us. It might well be there after us. The conclusion should be that we are incomplete measuring systems and our perception is limited.
    Two people's brains do not construct things in the same way.
    The alternative is infinite.
    Space is time altered.

    Time is not space altered.
    Koestler said the ghost is in the machine.
    The machine is in the ghost.

    What is the first number of a sequence?
    The first number is not of a sequence?

    Evidently one is the second number.
    Otherwise it would not be one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whatever View Post
    Sometimes the definition is everything. To the ancient people the moon was what they saw on earth providing light- therefore when you didn't see the moon it was "gone." Once we discovered that it was a huge, spherical rock circling our planet we started to realize that it's always looming up there.

    Is a ghost real? Poe may tell you yes, but your mother will tell you no. She doesn't want for you to lose your mind and sit drinking in the gutter

    Sometimes the invisible is more real than the visible- darkness can't really be measured the same as an apple, but it's no less real. Darkness is the absence of light and can be measured accordingly.

    Measure one by the lack of the other- that's the joy of opposites! (other than the fact that sitcoms are occasionally based around opposites as well )
    Yes.
    The sun circles, too.
    Everything does.

    The ghost is real for the practical purpose.
    It is called definition.

    Indefinite is real.
    You cannot touch it.
    The early Hindus said Brahman is indefinite.
    The untouchable one.

    The measure of one is the unmeasure of the other.
    You got it so right!

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    Quote Originally Posted by wildcat View Post
    Do you measure the thing?
    You measure what manifests of the thing.

    Does the thing manifest?
    No.

    What do you measure then?
    I think you measure what you perceive of the thing, because that's all you can see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Athenian200 View Post
    I think you measure what you perceive of the thing, because that's all you can see.
    The Ghost.

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