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    You manifest the thing.
    You measure yourself.
    Your thoughts are to prove yourself.
    Prove others of yourself.
    Prove yourself of others.

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    You measure what.

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    You measure time.

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    You measure desire.

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    Like others said, all you can measure is contained within yourself.

    "Measuring the world" is impossible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whatever View Post
    the shadow it leaves or the space that's missing perhaps?

    sometimes what isn't is just as obvious as what is

    sometimes ghosts are scarier than people
    Einstein worried about the moon.
    Is it there when you do not look?

    Bohr said it is there.
    Well. For all practical purposes anyway.

    What do we mean when we say the moon?
    The thing?
    It does not manifest.
    The ghost?
    It manifests.
    But it is not the thing.

    Edgar Allan was worried, too.
    Poor man. He was scared out of his wits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nocapszy View Post
    Looks more like a logic excersize to me.

    I've always held that we measure our perceptions.
    But those aren't things. They're non-things.
    Some people call them apparitions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wildcat View Post
    Einstein worried about the moon.
    Is it there when you do not look?

    Bohr said it is there.
    Well. For all practical purposes anyway.

    What do we mean when we say the moon?
    The thing?
    It does not manifest.
    The ghost?
    It manifests.
    But it is not the thing.

    Edgar Allan was worried, too.
    Poor man. He was scared out of his wits.
    hehe, poor Poe.

    When I say the moon, I talk of the thing I call the moon. There is no way to know that two people's brains even construct things the same way. We've all learnt of an object in the sky and seen it, but to one human it might be made of cheese and to another it may be a piece of a planetary system they have also learn about or studied. So perceptual distance exists to start with.

    When we learn of the moon we learn through measurement. We see an object in the sky with our eyes that gets tagged as 'moon'. When we see the object again, we think 'moon'. When we discuss the object, we call it 'moon'. In that sense 'moon' exists in our perception. The originally referenced object does not. The fact is the object we have referenced never exists in our perception, just a shadow of it. The object does exist though, we can just never completely capture it.

    People like to be ego-centric. Hence the idea that there is nothing real outside our perception. But maybe there is nothing truly real within our perception and the non-existence lies with us, not the objects we reference. If we don't look at the moon, it may not exist to us. But its existence is not dependent on us. The line should be we can't know it exists, not that it doesn't exist. There is a big difference. It was there before us. It might well be there after us. The conclusion should be that we are incomplete measuring systems and our perception is limited.
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    It's a trick question, because you can't measure a thing if the input from it gets put through your sense-perception. True measurement is impossible; it's just another percept. Hmmm this sounds familiar.....


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    Quote Originally Posted by wildcat View Post
    Einstein worried about the moon.
    Is it there when you do not look?

    Bohr said it is there.
    Well. For all practical purposes anyway.

    What do we mean when we say the moon?
    The thing?
    It does not manifest.
    The ghost?
    It manifests.
    But it is not the thing.

    Edgar Allan was worried, too.
    Poor man. He was scared out of his wits.
    Sometimes the definition is everything. To the ancient people the moon was what they saw on earth providing light- therefore when you didn't see the moon it was "gone." Once we discovered that it was a huge, spherical rock circling our planet we started to realize that it's always looming up there.

    Is a ghost real? Poe may tell you yes, but your mother will tell you no. She doesn't want for you to lose your mind and sit drinking in the gutter

    Sometimes the invisible is more real than the visible- darkness can't really be measured the same as an apple, but it's no less real. Darkness is the absence of light and can be measured accordingly.

    Measure one by the lack of the other- that's the joy of opposites! (other than the fact that sitcoms are occasionally based around opposites as well )
    “Oh, we're always alright. You remember that. We happen to other people.” -Terry Pratchett

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