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    That's true for me, I think, tinkerbell.

    Also the empathy thing.

    And the ability to see various possibilities.

    But I no longer think of myself as liberal. The idea of alligning with either side is repugnant to me. More apt to make my decisions on political (or people) issues on an individual basis or by personal experience.
    "No ray of sunshine is ever lost, but the green which it awakes into existence needs time to sprout, and it is not always granted to the sower to see the harvest. All work that is worth anything is done in faith." - Albert Schweitzer

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    Quote Originally Posted by pippi View Post
    Are you confusing "independent" with "liberal"? N types are less likely to accept the status quo and more likely to question things. I don't think that necessarily makes them more liberal. N's don't fit into the mainstream as well so they look for alternatives. Sometimes those alternatives are even more conservative though, it depends on the individual.
    This fits for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tinkerbell View Post
    Surely the meaning of S and N is a give away.

    S type focus on the detail
    N type the bigger picture, hence offensive details are less of an issue for them because it falls into the wash of the whole N big picture.

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    This is a good point but it still doesn't really account for unconventional SP's though.

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    Not! We were not counting the money.
    We just spent it.
    To heck with counting it.
    And we didn't spit on purpose. We just stuffed too much in our mouths and someone made us laugh while we were walking by the elderly homeless people.
    Really!

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffster View Post
    The S's are all busy counting our money and spitting on elderly homeless people.
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    This is a good point. I am an anti-war and human rights activist and maybe part of it is because I focus on the detail. The details of war are horrifying for me.
    So, no, I'm not a conservative... but not really a liberal, either. Liberals in government tend to compromise their positions too much and the policies that they end up with satisfy no one.


    Quote Originally Posted by tinkerbell View Post
    Surely the meaning of S and N is a give away.

    S type focus on the detail
    N type the bigger picture, hence offensive details are less of an issue for them because it falls into the wash of the whole N big picture.

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    I'm a little teapot, short and stout. Here is my handle and here is my spout. Every time I steam up, I give a shout. Just tip me over and pour me out.

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    This doesn't sound like anything to do with the S/N divide to me, maybe J/P but even that would still be stereotyping...

    If SPs are not the most open flexible unconventional people ever I don't know who is...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lukepd View Post
    If SPs are not the most open flexible unconventional people ever I don't know who is...
    NPs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Costrin View Post
    NPs.
    Yes, specially because you said "unconventional", Lukepd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antisocial one View Post
    Maybe I have wrong picture but to me it looks like that sensors are usually more conservative and traditional then intuitives.


    I have my own theories about this but for now I would like to hear other peoples opinions about this subject.



    Also I want to say that I am coming from different political environment then most of people here.
    Incorrect assertion. Ever met a conservative ENFP for example? They exist. N's, without strong T and F sides that override their N, are normally independent thinkers and can see flaws in both sides.

    Also age and experience will change your political views. I would be willing to guess most posters here are under 40 so are more likely to be liberal to independent.

    Finally, as an example of myself, I am socially liberal in a way but fiscally conservative and a huge proponent of national security. Someone said I was libertarian once, which may be true, but I find myself testing as independent in every survey I take.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maabus1999 View Post
    Incorrect assertion.
    If everyone is really interested in personalities and political influences, there are a lot of studies out there that look into it. Granted, it's not MBTI and I don't know of any studies done in MBTI... well, I don't know of any authoritive studies (there are some easily found - pdf warning), but this isn't an area that requires speculation or ancedotal evidence. The causation is still a big question, but the patterns are pretty well validated.

    Google scholar search

    Example study (pdf warning), for those that don't want to scroll through.

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