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    Quote Originally Posted by Cimarron View Post
    What about those unconventional SPs? Remember? Remember how unconventional they are? *nudging reader with elbow*
    Those ISTPs are freaking awesome.


    Quote Originally Posted by pippi View Post
    Are you confusing "independent" with "liberal"? N types are less likely to accept the status quo and more likely to question things. I don't think that necessarily makes them more liberal. N's don't fit into the mainstream as well so they look for alternatives. Sometimes those alternatives are even more conservative though, it depends on the individual.
    Exactly. There are plenty of ultra conservative Ns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JocktheMotie View Post
    I'm conservative, ironically enough. I think it might have more to do with upbringing then? Or maybe I'm the exception.
    No, it's a bit more complex than that. Let me see if I can explain why this topic is so fuzzy.

    First, you take people, complex fuzzy thinkers, and find some tendencies (in MBTI 5 of them for each axis). Then you average them out and you get a trait like N:S. Then you take those and ask them a bunch of questions about political leanings, of which are defined broadly and subject to social considerations (ie: ask what liberal means in the US vs Europe). Then you take these two, compare the two, and find out that in general, N prefer liberalism and S conservatism, which are political definitions made up of the particular questions that were asked.

    So... yah. The OP posed it well, actually. It's not a matter of "being liberal", but of being "more liberal". That is, there is a preference - one side "shifts" towards the other.

    Why is this important? Because the majority of Ns could be liberal, and Ss could be most conservative and there would still be more S liberals than Ns. (If you accept about a 70% population for Ss, then it would be ~35% to ~15%, actually).

    So yah, just because there is a correlation does not mean it can be generalized to the overall population.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    That's funny.
    I don't.
    Most of the N's I've run across have a better change to be open or at least be able to explain alternative points of view. They use N to empathize. The big thing I see with S's is that they are more accepting of people and issues that fly in the face of their values if they (1) know the person or (2) can sympathize someone with the person or (3) have a moral code that guides behavior... some sort of tangible connection or standards.
    Yeah, actually I should add that it was very close (as far as N conservatism vs. S conservatism). And you might be right about the S's sympathizing if they know a person under that effect more (I know I act like that).


    Quote Originally Posted by ptgatsby View Post
    Why is this important? Because the majority of Ns could be liberal, and Ss could be most conservative and there would still be more S liberals than Ns. (If you accept about a 70% population for Ss, then it would be ~35% to ~15%, actually).

    So yah, just because there is a correlation does not mean it can be generalized to the overall population.
    Yet 85% of the forum are N's and only 15% are S's lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by erinavery View Post
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    Clarify?

    And I think I'm N, and I am kind of radical, mentally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by entropie View Post
    That sounds bad, but do you really think its just because they are S ? Somehow that explanation does not give a sufficient explanation to me
    No, I don't think it's just because they're S. I don't think I said that anywhere in my post. I was just validating Jennifer's comment about the behavior of Ss who are already conservative with a concrete example. I wasn't saying anything about the cause of their conservatism. Read carefully.
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    Becuxz S sux n N rulez !!!111!

    Isn't that what MBTI is all about ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nihilen View Post
    Becuxz S sux n N rulez !!!111!

    Isn't that what MBTI is all about ?
    On the internet, maybe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orangey View Post
    On the internet, maybe.
    Yeah but not irl.

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    I wonder why more N's have participated in this thread than S's?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brendan View Post
    I wonder why more N's have participated in this thread than S's?
    The S's are all busy counting our money and spitting on elderly homeless people.
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