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    Quote Originally Posted by raz View Post
    ESFP: OMG LET'S DANCE!

    ENFP: OMG LET'S PLAY A GAME!
    or ESFP: OMG I LOVE HIS EYE COLOR

    ENFP: OMG I LOVE THE WAY HIS EYES SEE INTO MY SOUL

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    I dunno if this has been posted already, but this is what makes it easy for me. ESFP - ENFP
    () 9w8-3w4-7w6 tritype.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nigel Tufnel View Post
    Good point.

    In my experience, ENFPs are more likely to be social workers than salespeople, ESFPs the other way around. ESFPs want the interaction, ENFPs want the interaction to serve a greater purpose.
    I don't think I lack a greater purpose. And I'm not necessarily inclined to sales. There might be a lot of interaction in sales, but it can be somewhat disheartening to me. If the product sucks, if it doesn't open up any interesting avenues other than profit, if the workplace is a little cuttthroat, compartmentalized, and selfish (which many sales jobs are).. etc., then I will end up making a joke out of it. The joke itself would hold more meaning - because it's fun.

    Anyhow...Out of the SP's, I think an ESTP would more enjoy the possibilties and mechanations inherent to a sales job far more than I would.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KDude View Post
    I don't think I lack a greater purpose. And I'm not necessarily inclined to sales. There might be a lot of interaction in sales, but it can be somewhat disheartening to me. If the product sucks, if it doesn't open up any interesting avenues other than profit, if the workplace is a little cuttthroat, compartmentalized, and selfish (which many sales jobs are).. etc., then I will end up making a joke out of it. The joke itself would hold more meaning - because it's fun.

    Anyhow...Out of the SP's, I think an ESTP would more enjoy the possibilties and mechanations inherent to a sales job far more than I would.
    I agree about seeking a greater purpose is common for both ExFPs. It's the aux Fi making its judging powers felt in favor of strong internal values for both types.

    I know three ESFPs (supposedly) and in all their in-the-momenty natural charm, they are all very much driven by compassion and ethical values.

    14 yo female, very popular and always impulsively standing up to defend the less fortunate, the unpopular, the victims of bullying.
    27 yo female, very attractive, very extraverted and emotionally hypomanic about own authenticity (of that moment at least ). Soon to be doctor, goes specialising in children's psychiatry.
    42 yo male, anthropologist, very confident, genuine and easygoing, bonds and earns trust with all kinds of people in no time. Travels a lot as humanitarian worker, enjoys high action warzones and trouble areas. Fires 100 corrupt local employees if his ethics tells him to, no matter the multiple death threats and himself loosing his job that he knew was to follow from that. Moves on regularly anyway.


    While I'm compassionate and ethical through writing, debating, researching philosophy, donating to causes etc., they seem much more hands on, seeking more concrete and impulsive action-outlets for their equally strong (and quite recognisable to an ENFP) Fi-values.

    Actually, I can't really see any strong Fi-user enjoying to sell stuff just to get status or attention, earn profits, beat competitors or 'doing whatever'. They would always want their job to be valuable in it self, to serve an objective ethical purpose outside of personal gain. Remember, Fi is a rational function too.

    I once heard a Fi user say "I decided already when I was young, that I would never do a job for money which I would not do for free as well." Me like!

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    To grossly oversimplify: ENFPs have no idea what's going on in the real world around them. ESFPs are almost always very aware of it.
    If you could be anything you want, I bet you'd be disappointed--am I right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    To grossly oversimplify: ENFPs have no idea what's going on in the real world around them. ESFPs are almost always very aware of it.
    yeah. Although older ENFPs will really start to use the Si and look very practical ISTJ style, especially in the workplace. Kind but pragmatic at 40.

    I cant really have great convos with ESFPs until we are drunk, but I do have to say they totally get it when I get emo over something. Otherwise they dress much better than me and surprisingly seem to have more drama. I havent found one who does real well with money-even a very, very clever one I know who is a biochemist. But i likely need to meet some older ones.

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    I'm an ENFP. My mom is an ESFP. We seem to share many similar personality traits. Except that she's much, much better with practical, hands-on smarts, and I'm much more theoretical and abstract.

    My ex is also an eSFP. People used to tell us that we were too much alike, but in fundamental ways we were too insanely different (of course, that could just be a matter of Fi vs. Fi clashing and not totally Se vs. Ne) but he would get really annoyed with what he called my "overanalyzing" and he is much, much better at paying attention to his surroundings, picking up on visual cues, reflexes, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Happy Puppy View Post
    yeah. Although older ENFPs will really start to use the Si and look very practical ISTJ style, especially in the workplace. Kind but pragmatic at 40.

    I cant really have great convos with ESFPs until we are drunk, but I do have to say they totally get it when I get emo over something. Otherwise they dress much better than me and surprisingly seem to have more drama. I havent found one who does real well with money-even a very, very clever one I know who is a biochemist. But i likely need to meet some older ones.
    lol @ "dress much better" ... I totally feel this.

    Also, my mom is a *bit* more dramatic than me. I'm just saying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shortnsweet View Post
    We act the same, so its hard.
    ESFP's can be flaky and unobservant and miss things, which make us look very un S-like. (I'm not sure why we are this way, I used to think I was an N for this reason.)
    I have had this exact frustration with my dear ESFP friend. She's sweet, adorable, spontaneous, and a complete blast to bring to parties with you.

    However when as an ENFJ I really need a friend to lean on, she's just not there. If I'm trying to open up and share an emotional experience (which is very difficult for an xNFJ in the first place), she's texting on her phone or on internet and half listening. She's flaked out quite a few times which I've had to come to some rationalization that it's just her personality. For me friendship = dependability among other things. This doesn't even seem to cross her mind as something that matters at all. Basically I can plan on if I need her help with anything that doesn't include fun, it's not going to happen. If it's fun, she'll be there in a heartbeat.


    My point is... a dear person, she recently told me she "hopes we remain friends forever". But this is just something that has to be understood with this type - as each has their strengths/weaknesses.
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    I'd like to say I value dependabilty, but I might be a little too one sided about it And as much as I want good vibes between everyone, I might get a little distracted when people are opening up. I'm listening and all that, but they don't always have my undivided attention.

    I think I met an ENFP the other day.. Maybe. Anyhow, we immediately hit it off.. Pretty early on, the conversation turned to her joining a roller derby league..which I thought was cool. I just sat and listened though..barely got a word in (not that I necessarily needed to talk). She was super stoked, and started going on and on about what it meant to her, about the people she was meeting, started practicing exercises in front of me.. lol. But at a certain point, I probably didn't look like I was all there. Kept turning my head, looking around, glanced at the TV, gazed across the street, kind of chuckled at what other people were doing, etc.. I WAS hearing everything she said, but it's easy to multitask and distract myself at the same time.

    I'm only really mentioning it because this is how a lot of conversations can be with me. It's hard to get my full,undivided attention (at least I think I appear that way from the outside).

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