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    Quote Originally Posted by Gauche View Post
    Why do I ask? Because I have a strange feeling, you know, that there are many ESFPs who are being typed as ENFP, but actually they are ESFPs. How do you see it?
    I've wondered the same thing. Both types have that unique charisma and spontaneity. ESFPs are more down-to-earth in their thinking, more practical, and really fun. ESFPs are also more the type to relish the concrete sensations of the moment while the ENFP gets lost in a playground of ideas and subjective connections of the moment. ENFPs can appear more spacey, or lost in thought while the ESFP is more lost in the moment.

    I have known a number of Ne dominants and the one's I've known are rather unmistakable. Their thinking in non-linear and creative and they can take you on quite a head trip in sharing their ideas. Their relationship to language is also interesting. They play with words like putty. I have one ENFP friend who wrote a number of songs in languages she invented off the top of her head. They sound really authentic and convincing. She is a teacher and can pull together what seem to be random ideas and somehow it all works.
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    wow! so true phoenix!

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    ESFP and ENFP especially in social settings like "the nightlife" are very similar. My INTP friend kept on telling me how her brother's friend is "very similar" to me and she thought we'd really hit it off. Haven't met yet, but chat online and the conversation is very natural, we also have very similar habits as far as what we like to do for fun at night and energy levels.

    He tested as ESFP. Who knows though, might be ENFP? I don't think it's true that ESFP's are 'not thoughtful', just have to pay attention to how things are said and content...yeah, that's vague. He (the ESFP) does say that I have 'bad segues' and jump around in conversation, i.e. randomness and tangents? He seems a little more practical but he's also older than me.

    This spa owner I worked for I suspect is also ESFP. Sweet woman, cares about the mind-body connection and all that, but is also more literal and in the moment. Very athletic as well, aerobics and pilates instructor, advanced skiier, etc.

    She had some unfortunate run-ins with road ragers and other folks and in our conversation she didn't really get deep into why she thought the other people acted the way they did or her internal processing -- which I think I would have done.

    I kinda think that physicality and sticking to the facts (kinda like what Short said) made me think she is ESFP and not ENFP. Super outgoing all the time as well, in a way that I am not. I'd be much more hesitant to invite clients on vacations and such - I'm more private I think and conscious of compartmentalizing?

    I think ESFPs of both genders are more likely to be touchy feely - and especially huggers. ENFPs can also be very affectionate but generally we gotta know you like that before we go there comfortably. However, this touchy-feely difference wouldn't help you parse out the EXFPs online.
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    Quote Originally Posted by toonia View Post
    I've wondered the same thing. Both types have that unique charisma and spontaneity. ESFPs are more down-to-earth in their thinking, more practical, and really fun. ESFPs are also more the type to relish the concrete sensations of the moment while the ENFP gets lost in a playground of ideas and subjective connections of the moment. ENFPs can appear more spacey, or lost in thought while the ESFP is more lost in the moment.

    I have known a number of Ne dominants and the one's I've known are rather unmistakable. Their thinking in non-linear and creative and they can take you on quite a head trip in sharing their ideas. Their relationship to language is also interesting. They play with words like putty. I have one ENFP friend who wrote a number of songs in languages she invented off the top of her head. They sound really authentic and convincing. She is a teacher and can pull together what seem to be random ideas and somehow it all works.
    that's funny too..that's why people think i'm so weird...and look at me like WHAT are you talking about? haha
    this is why i prefer the company of other different perspective people...i think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phoenix13 View Post
    I've noticed that too. Here's some stuff I pulled out of my bum to help differentiate between the two:

    When an ExFP describes someone, see if the content of the description is physical (ESFP) or a shameless attempt at psychoanalysis (ENFP).

    When discussing philosophy, does the ExFP get bored after 5 minutes and change the subject (ESFP), or come up with some bull s#!t theory of their own made up on the spot (ENFP). I'd say in general, the more bull s#!tty and out-there the theory, the more ENFP they'll be.

    Lastly, and this is from personal experience, ESFPs and ENFPs react very differently to criticism. The ESFP typically gets defensive and pretends not to care, or starts blabbing about why they shouldn't care. The ENFP will panic for a second, put on a brave face and listen, then retreat to a private place to meditate and lick their wounds.

    Definitely.
    The ESFP and ENFP are going to tell stories just as fervently and excitedly but the ESFP is more likely to delve deeper into the details of the story.

    "well it was so funny cause I saw him 2 years ago that summer when he had really blonde hair and now he has brown hair and its all overgrown so I practically didn't even recognize him. His car is awesome though!"

    The ENFP "Well I saw him that summer when his hair was like orange and I bet he was so embarrassed about it that he just dropped off the face of the planet! I wish I had a banana right now! I'm going to go grow a banana tree right here!"

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    I think when you see an ESFP, you'll notice that they are more in tune and aware of their immediate environment. ENFP are engaged too, but don't seem in the moment as much, and seem more aware of "meaning".

    And ESFPs like to discuss tangible possibilities that will eventually lead up to action more, while ENFPs will be more open to discuss the abstract and things that don't necessarily have real-world application.

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    haha SHORT!! that's friggin hysterical!

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    hehe, I agree, good one Short
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    Quote Originally Posted by phoenix13 View Post
    I've noticed that too. Here's some stuff I pulled out of my bum to help differentiate between the two:

    When an ExFP describes someone, see if the content of the description is physical (ESFP) or a shameless attempt at psychoanalysis (ENFP).

    When discussing philosophy, does the ExFP get bored after 5 minutes and change the subject (ESFP), or come up with some bull s#!t theory of their own made up on the spot (ENFP). I'd say in general, the more bull s#!tty and out-there the theory, the more ENFP they'll be.

    Lastly, and this is from personal experience, ESFPs and ENFPs react very differently to criticism. The ESFP typically gets defensive and pretends not to care, or starts blabbing about why they shouldn't care. The ENFP will panic for a second, put on a brave face and listen, then retreat to a private place to meditate and lick their wounds.
    Hahaha.

    I think the psychoanalyzing thing is definitely an NF thing compared to any other quad - SJ/SP and moreso than NT.

    The last part about how ENFPs handle criticism. Not so! I can take it! Some of the time. And actually, I can get pretty defensive and combative depending on *how* you are criticizing me.

    Then again, according to an online personality test, some of my friends see me as an ESFP and not an ENFP. If you don't really talk to me or see my internal processes on how I come to decisions, and only notice my super extraversion and energy levels and randomness and socializing and friendliness -- yeah, I can definitley see that.

    I concur with CaptainChick, I think ESFPs are neato.

    PS continuing with what Short/Sweet said, when I have conversations with the ESFP the snags come from him being too blunt sometimes and not sensing where my boundaries are when it comes to jokes and sometimes I try to take conversations some places and he's not interested because there's "no point".

    I also think ESFP moreso than ENFP are more likely to be more serious recreational drug users -- for the 'sensate' reasons.
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    The only person who not only never judged me when I went completely off the deep end in college, but actually joined in and took it even further was an ESFP, I'm pretty sure. And she was smoking hot, as well. If I ever go lesbian, I will be giving her a call, I'm telling you. Absolutely loved her.
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