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    evaluates situations subjectively?
    applies one's morals?
    represents core values?

    Yeah, it is interesting to think about the core essence of these functions.. maybe this attempt to define is the Te in me talking

    Here is a reference of other attempts to capture Fi from the Socionics standpoint.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noel View Post
    I want everyone to fill in the blank for my analogy as short and concise as possible. See above edit.
    So..."If Ti takes things apart, then Fi..." Okay. Ti doesn't take things apart, it creates (Te takes things apart). So, what does Fi not do...It doesn't power submarines. Therefore,

    "If Ti takes things apart, then Fi powers submarines."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flak View Post
    So..."If Ti takes things apart, then Fi..." Okay. Ti doesn't take things apart, it creates (Te takes things apart). So, what does Fi not do...It doesn't power submarines. Therefore,

    "If Ti takes things apart, then Fi powers submarines."
    Really? I'm curious because I've heard the contrary for some time. I'd love for people to prove me wrong here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Noel View Post
    Really? I'm curious because I've heard the contrary for some time. I'd love for people to prove me wrong here.
    It's all in here.
    Classics in the History of Psychology -- Jung (1921/1923) Chapter 10

    What you've observed over and over again is distortion. If people are led to believe they are, say, Ti dominant, then they will explain Ti simply as how they operate. People are haphazard. I've made such mistakes in the past.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flak View Post
    It's all in here.
    Classics in the History of Psychology -- Jung (1921/1923) Chapter 10

    What you've observed over and over again is distortion. If people are led to believe they are, say, Ti dominant, then they will explain Ti simply as how they operate. People are haphazard. I've made such mistakes in the past.
    Ok, I believe I fully comprehend you now. Jungian Functions and MBTI are mutually exclusive. Correct?
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    Fi sifts virtue's substance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by greed View Post
    evaluates situations subjectively?
    applies one's morals?
    represents core values?

    Yeah, it is interesting to think about the core essence of these functions.. maybe this attempt to define is the Te in me talking

    Here is a reference of other attempts to capture Fi from the Socionics standpoint.
    Interesting to see the linguistic perspective from socionics. I have to read more up on that standpoint, from what segments I've read it seems to hold its own relative to MBTI.


    Quote Originally Posted by Noel View Post
    Fi sifts virtue's substance.
    Hmm, I found that quite dramatic at first, but reflecting on it, its not a bad defintion


    "Fi clarifies intrapersonal virtues"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Siegfried View Post
    Hmm, I found that quite dramatic at first, but reflecting on it, its not a bad definition For me it would be something like "Fi organizes interpersonal virtues".
    Hmm. I chose virtue in my example along the lines of Aristotle's definition of Virtue. Interesting.

    Main Entry: virtue
    Part of Speech: noun
    Definition: honor, integrity
    Synonyms: advantage, asset, character, charity, chastity, consideration, credit, ethic, ethicality, ethicalness, excellence, faith, faithfulness, fineness, fortitude, generosity, goodness, good point, high-mindedness, hope, ideal, incorruptibility, innocence, justice, kindness, love, merit, morality, probity, prudence, purity, quality, rectitude, respectability, righteousness, temper, temperance, trustworthiness, uprightness, value, worth, worthiness
    Antonyms: dishonor, evil, immorality, vice


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    I think the "deconstruction" is more a product of logic itself, than of an introverted function. So Fi probably does not parallel that apsect of it. Te constructs, and Ti deconstructs in understanding the principles of how it works. Feeling is not about structures, per-se, except for perhaps relationships, yet since it is ethics and not logic, those structures are not handled the same way as logical ones.
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    Two more:

    Substance is Essence
    Makes intrapersonal virtues

    The more I think about it, virtue seems best suited for covering such an expansive geographic environment of 'feelings.'
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