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    Filthy Apes! Kalach's Avatar
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    Default Showdown: Fe vs Fi...

    I'm just gonna go ahead and make up a lot of stuff here. Look out below:

    Fe

    Is it so mysterious? It's feeling that depends on... something... outside the person.
    (Yes or no? I dunno. I'm just guessing. But it does say "e".)

    It's a rational function. It provides judgements. So...

    Fe does or doesn't recognise the existence of Fi?

    Maybe it does as the user matures.

    Does it recognise any value in Fi?

    Dunno.

    But I think Fe users want to see feeling in others. (Feel feeling in others?) I suspect recognition of Fi is an intellectual process rather than an emotional one. Or at least it's a process that requires more steps than getting straight Fe from others.

    ESFJs are better at this than ENFJs? ESFJs have 3rd function Ne. ENFJs have Se instead. If ENFJs are going to "get" Fi, it's with auxiliary Ni, and that takes time.

    So, INTJs can be with ESFJs but will be vexed and put upon by ENFJs always trying to turn them inside out? And perhaps conversely, ISTJs can hold their own with ENFJs but are solely distressed by ESFJs? (I read somewhere that ENFJs enjoy the company of ISTJs...)


    Dunno. Whatcha think?

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    Te says your exposition is Ni going crazy.
    Fe says you shouldn't say somebody is crazy.
    Ti says Fe does not observe, only provide judgment for actions. Ni argument is irrational.
    Fi says am I crazy? I feel so, do you also feel so?

    Perhaps it's the other way around. Fi wishes to see feelings, Fe assumes feelings.
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    Where's the poll?

    I vote Fi.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffster View Post
    Where's the poll?

    I vote Fi.
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    Fe is taking you doowwnnn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nightning View Post
    Te says your exposition is Ni going crazy.
    Fe says you shouldn't say somebody is crazy.
    Ti says Fe does not observe, only provide judgment for actions. Ni argument is irrational.
    Fi says am I crazy? I feel so, do you also feel so?

    Perhaps it's the other way around. Fi wishes to see feelings, Fe assumes feelings.

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    I may be mixing up a couple of ideas trying to make sense of a vibe I get from some NFJs I know. The vibe is, they need to see me doing something that shows a feeling in action directed at them. Stereotype would be presenting flowers, peering earnestly looking for a desired reaction from them, being sheepish and coy or loutish and hopeful...

    Or would it? I asked an ENFJ once. Her face lit up and she said, yes, she would positively respond to well-known representations of "teh Romants".

    But someone being intense inside themselves about something they're doing...? Didn't think to ask. Kinda already know the answer from a great many interactions. (On the other hand, she did go all fluttery when an INFP showed up...)

    And I know another INFJ/INFP couple. But they can't work each other out without fighting, sometimes even throwing punches in the street.


    Fe - focused outward, so it just is the engine of natural people management - and don't dick around saying it's not. Fe users manage people and representations of people outside themselves to create a balance for themselves because they have to. All the TPs and the FJs. Alla them. Don't they/you? And what do they/you know from Fi?

    Fi is somebody messing with themselves. Fe is someone messing with me.

    Innit?


    And don't all the dual systems match Fe users with Fe users and Fi with Fi?

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    Fi - value judgments based on internal/idealized standard
    Fe - value judgments based on tangible or applicable stuff

    Neither of them are technically emotional. Emotions are actually contained within perceiving functions. Feeling is rational, based on a framework.

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    Well-said, Evan.
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    oh i see...evan...i thought it was meant to mean i internalized feeling and that didn't seem entirely accurate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalach View Post
    And don't all the dual systems match Fe users with Fe users and Fi with Fi?

    Nope
    apparently the PandJ aren't neccessarily flippable when going from socionics to mbti
    even though the functions say differen, the profiles don't.
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