I agree with this.
I think that many people are just really bad at typing others too.
A lot of iNtuitive elitists here who have a difficult time thinking of the possibility that they may have been attracted to an S rather than an N.
That drive to communicate what is so intangible i think is what has motivated me as a composer.
When someone else can enter the experience of the work you have created, that is a rare moment in which the isolation is warmed. Physical intimacy, for all its simplicity also eases this ache.
Possibly for the reasons mentioned above and other circumstances, i have mostly resigned myself to a sense of isolation. There is a continual background ache of separation and loss, a persistent nostalgia, a feeling of never enough. I think that is what draws me to the stars and the ocean. Vastness provides a sense of embrace. I realize I am engulfed in something greater than that which eludes my internal grasp.
peak experiences for me, when i feel most home and like i belong, are when my Ni and my Fe are both completely connecting with whatever is in my attention. Ni makes you perceive the unity of everything, ecological Big Picture vastness and the stirring complexity emerging out of the unity of the world and the place of each object (me!) within it, purposefully connected, evolving, while Fe makes me feel the beauty, the color, the musicality of the world and its dancing eyes.
this is why infj is called the mystic. its ecstatic, timeless, deep communion. we feel it happening inside of us, part of it is extraverted and part of it is connecting to the feeling tones and hues of what is outside of us, feeling them flow thru us.
Originally Posted by xNFJiminy
Interesting. Someone mentioned that INFJ males often appear like INTPs.
yes. the more introverted, the more introverted process (the more Ni and the more Ti). seems very intp. j has to do with determining whether your first extraverted function is judging or perceiving. if you are really introverted, you use Ni and Ti so much your first extraverted function wouldn't really be that apparent. we need Fe to sketch and revise the order/organization of their internal environment. it is part of what makes us j. yet even if we do use it we still do look j on the outside bc of weak Se. until we have a purpose, until we are directing an internal vision, extraverting/expressing it, we ARE rather messy and procrastinating and floating along p.
Originally Posted by lbloom
Having known two INFJ males really well, I strongly disagree. The INFJ vibe is very different. Yes, they will procrastinate quite a bit for J people, and they are drawn to abstract, often T-dominated material. They are, however, much less emotionally detached and more sensitive in their deeper thoughts - closer to a "feminine" stereotype. They conceal it well.
By sensitive, I mean to other people's feelings, an Fe sensitivity. INTPs can sensitive in that they may be hurt by people close to them, but they are less likely to factor other people into decision making.
true. altho we can detach when we need to, we will become very introverted, we will shutdown, we will avoid, ignore, etc. underneath at times we are seething. but if we are at all open and extraverting (read: merging with the world), we will soak up all the feeling in the air. it gets into us and we have to care about it. we are very sensitive. Fe makes everything personal, it perceives the context between speakers very attentively.
Originally Posted by ladypinkington
Not all INFJ's are going to look the same and I think that is why people can tend to speculate and accuse so much.
Some may be only a little more F then T so they are going to be different then an INFJ who is extremely F. They may seem like an INTJ to a strong F just by comparison but they are in fact both still INFJ's. I know that I have a lot of E in me but I am more Introverted so I am going to look different from an INFJ who is more I then I am but we are both still I's but it looks and acts differently. We both still have/use Ni as the dominant function and Fe as the next one.
so true, some can be more reliant and exaggerated in their use of the dominant function. life experiences, cultural ethnicity, level of social support, breadth of experience (change), occupation, educational training, hobbies, relationship history, gender, etc.
i think the relationship between being a really really strong say introvert over extrovert is interesting. for me as a male, it meant that i developed Ni and Ti really really aggressively. at 23 i started working in restaurants, forced to be more extroverted, etc. i'm much more socially supported as well. so my Fe is waking up, the feelings i used to stifle and physically avoid are much more a part of my life. i notice my inferior Se more as a result and want to develop it. the more balance and the more functions i use, the less i feel that Ni brilliance and Ti fine-tooth comb. most work, most leisure, most everything does not really develop or do much in the way of cultivating infj skills. the ones who "feel" really infj are the ones who's lives are really consumed by a particular brand of self-development.
Originally Posted by Lauren Ashley
Agreed. I am an Enneagram 3 INFJ and I want a "fabulous" life. But I also want lots of time to curl up in bed with my hubby or spend hours surfing the internet, once in a while.
ahh, that explains why i've never gotten the infj "feel" from you. i'd like to know more. what is your function balance like? very Ni dominant? Fe really strong, etc? you inhabit constantly changing moods? do you relate to most infjs on the board?
i imagine for you to be an enneagram 3 your Se has to be extremely advanced for an infj? no glazed eye absent-minded professing. i've often associated enneagram 3 with istp and estp. feels very shadowy, as a result usually feel wary of the 3s i know.
a) These personality tests (MBTI, Socionics, Cognitive Functions) are models that are made by humans who are flawed, and are therefore also not perfect.
b) People are not just automatons who use four cognitive functions. Every human being uses lots of functions at different times in different environments for different reasons with different people....Everyone can put on hats...It's normal...
A well-rounded person might test a certain way when certain cognitive functions are well-developed and/or active. At one time in my life, even *I* tested as ISTJ (when I lived in a home with predominantly SJs), INTJ (when I was at college, which is dominated by NiTe), XNFJ (when I first became a teacher and arrived in Germany), and now I test ENFP (although a lot of people seem to think I may be XNFP or even EXFP)...Sooooo, point being if you are a well-rounded person, you can adapt to circumstances in your life.
c) Of course, there are some people who go on an ego-trip and want to be the 'cool type' that can 'see in the future' or whatever.
It really blows that the N descriptions are all like 'These individuals are typically bright and full of potential...open and gregarious...deal well with people..." and blah blah blah and the S descriptions are like "Need order and discipline...follow the letter of the law...closed-minded and like to tinker with inanimate objects..." Well shit, who would want to be that? And any half-intelligent person can tell after TWO questions what kind of questions will bring about what answer.
d) It's entirely possible that people answer the questions for who they would LIKE to be - i.e. their IDEAL - and not who they truly ARE. I did that on my first test - I answered the questions as I thought my psych teacher would LIKE me to answer them, not how I really BELIEVED...So I got ISTJ! HAH!
Ask any ISTJ in here - I doubt ANY of them would claim THAT result was correct hahaha.
e) If you take the test often enough or are highly perceptive you can see what answers will bring about what results and manipulate the result, which relates to c) and d).
So there you have it. Either:
a) the test is poorly constructed, giving an INFJ result
b) the person currently has the INFJ 'hat' on
c) the person thinks INFJs are cool shit and wish they were that
Those are my five cents. And personally, I think that goes with ANY type, whether it's INFJ or any other one...
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The tests are flawed... everybody has biases. However if we take the aggregate results, we're likely to be more accurate.
What do I mean by aggregate?
Fill it out yourself, then ask people who know you to also do it. If personality type is based on how we "tend" to behave... then the averaged result ought to reflect central tendencies?