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    Quote Originally Posted by kuranes View Post
    Here is a book that is the story of a world or country divided up into those four ancient temperaments.Divided Kingdom by Rupert Thomson

    I always wondered what the term "phlegmatic" referred to, and so I took the opportunity just now to look it up. I wondered if it's origins might be traced back to at some point having the term "phlogiston" as part of the weave. My initial research shows that "phlogiston" was derived from ancient Greek ( "burning up" ) but whose original development as a "scientific concept" was more related to Germany. "Phlegmatic" seems to refer to a temperament possessed by those who remained "calm during a storm", which describes the way I see "NT's" viewing themselves. In my brief dallying on the subject, though, I saw no connection between "burning up" and "storm" ( such as the concept "firestorm" might have suggested. )
    Thanks for the link, kuranes. An interesting book.

    Yes. The Greek connection is to slime (it stucks in your throat) as well as to the idea of burning.
    Fire storm is a compound word. The idea of a storm is to stir, to disturb, to scatter.
    It is connected to straw. To strew is to scatter straw.
    A phlegmatic does not mind the storm, because he is calm in spirit.
    As you say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfy View Post
    That's an interesting book kuranes. According to it I'm the chosen type Sanguine. But wikipedia says saguine was once treated with leeches!

    Wildcat I'm 9w8 and ISFP, function order? I don't know.But I know this I'm easy going with another more determined side.

    All this typology stuff is very useful wouldn't you agree? A mirror to look into.
    Thank you wolfy.
    I wonder if that w8 is typical of the ISFP. We shall see.
    Typology provides a mirror. Well said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by greed View Post
    Choleric and intensive, definitely.

    1w2
    Te > Ni .. the rest I'm not sure of, but the ENTJ function order sounds close enough.
    ENTJ
    I thought ENTJ amounts to choleric and intensive.
    1 w2. Interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    I'm a blend of sanguine and melancholic; expansive-stable. I'm a kind of intellectual sanguine. I think one of the descriptions in the website given by kuranes is matching:


    7w8
    Te-Ni
    I think you are right about the fiction.
    Expansive and sensitive (melancholic) do blend.

    Expansive and stable do not blend. They are opposite poles of a continuum.
    Intensive and sensitive are opposite poles of another continuum. They do not blend either.

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    You may have me for your records, senator.

    choleric-Melancholic

    Very Sensitive-rarely emotional-always calm

    4w5



    Fi-Ne-Si-Se/Te/Fe-Ni-Ti

    INFP? - LOL
    I N V I C T U S

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    Quote Originally Posted by wildcat View Post
    It is connected to straw. To strew is to scatter straw.
    Is this where the term "straw man" comes from ? Or at least "Wicker Man" ? "Children of the Wheat" ?
    "The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them that they are being attacked and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country."
    Reichsfuhrer Herman Goering at the Nuremburg trials.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wildcat View Post
    I think you are right about the fiction.
    Expansive and sensitive (melancholic) do blend.

    Expansive and stable do not blend. They are opposite poles of a continuum.
    Intensive and sensitive are opposite poles of another continuum. They do not blend either.
    Ah, okay, so stable=phlegmatic?
    ENTj 7-3-8 sx/sp

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    Quote Originally Posted by mlittrell View Post
    look at my signature and function order should be the same for all ENFPs (Ne, Fi, Te, Si).
    Yes. The average function order for the ENFPs is

    Ne Fi Fe Ni Se Ti Te Si
    No confusion there.

    Maybe you have something to add.

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    Quote Originally Posted by entropie View Post
    phlegmatic + sensitive +

    The E does not fit in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thursday View Post
    You may have me for your records, senator.

    choleric-Melancholic

    Very Sensitive-rarely emotional-always calm

    4w5



    Fi-Ne-Si-Se/Te/Fe-Ni-Ti

    INFP? - LOL
    I do see the express opposite of calm.

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