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    Quote Originally Posted by untypable View Post
    extroversion is a myth. Extroverts are probably not even aware of the extrovert introvert classification. It is probably just a word invented by introverts (people who don't talk alot and feel left out).


    There are people who like to divide people into categories, and there are those that don't.
    Define Extroversion...
    And in that process explain why it is a myth, and why you provide nothing but a pathetic insult at introverts?
    What a waste of life..

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    extroversion and introversion dont necessarily have to do with being social. they have to do with where you direct your energy the most, inward or outward. now naturally, according to the definition, extroverts are going to direct their energy (i hope people dont mind the use of this word) outward more and thus it has an effect on how social they might be and vice versa with introverts, but that doesn't necessarily imply that they are going to be moreso then an introvert at any given point in time. if an introvert grows up in an extroverted family and an extrovert grows in up an introverted family (me) that introvert might blow the extrovert out of the water, BUT the extrovert will still direct their energy outwards (and get energy from the outside world) and the introvert will still direct their energy inwards (and get energy from their inner personal world). so basically what im trying to get at is though introversion/extroversion may affect how social one is, they dont necessarily equal/define how social one might be.
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    I agree with mlittrell.

    The thing is even a very private and introvert personality, who has made up his mind about how society works and how especially his friends like to be seen, can be a social butterfly, because he knows things. While an extravert could be constantly in the position of bouncing of ideas or seeking confirmation to ratify his perceptions or conclusions about others.

    In my opinion the Introvert and Extrovert thing according to social behaviour is a too general and too easy definition of a much more fine tuned subject. Antisocial behaviour can result of various traits and habits, but it cant be explained by just saying someone is introvert.

    That would be like only watching indoor chess and claiming one to be a sports fan.
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    quite well stated ^

    social butterfly... that sounds familiar... is that from keirsey
    "Honest differences are often a healthy sign of progress. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by entropie View Post
    I agree with mlittrell.

    The thing is even a very private and introvert personality, who has made up his mind about how society works and how especially his friends like to be seen, can be a social butterfly, because he knows things. While an extravert could be constantly in the position of bouncing of ideas or seeking confirmation to ratify his perceptions or conclusions about others.

    In my opinion the Introvert and Extrovert thing according to social behaviour is a too general and too easy definition of a much more fine tuned subject. Antisocial behaviour can result of various traits and habits, but it cant be explained by just saying someone is introvert.

    That would be like only watching indoor chess and claiming one to be a sports fan.
    Well, it's like seeing the people in crowds that can just talk and talk and talk and talk, but then there's the person in the crowd who is very quiet. That one person, when the crowd was just 2-3 people was very talkative, but is now remaining distant to everyone else.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mlittrell View Post
    extroversion and introversion dont necessarily have to do with being social. they have to do with where you direct your energy the most, inward or outward.
    QFT. Introverts can be quite charismatic and charming, but it tends to wear them down. I've met a few extraverts that were extremely uncharismatic, to the point of being blatantly annoying to everyone around them. While I'm no charismatic dynamo, I believe I've met a few extraverts that I would consider less charismatic than myself.

    The reason for the perception that extraverts are more charismatic than introverts is because they generally derive a positive energy gain from social interaction, and subsequently spend more time socially interacting, which gives them more time to refine their skills in that area.
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    quite so^

    just remember charisma is not equal to extroversion/introversion. anyone can be quite charismatic and charming, doesn't matter on the type necessarily.

    but your right
    "Honest differences are often a healthy sign of progress. "

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    One thing I'm wondering is how introverts cope with extraverts. I tend to see extraverts as intimidating and extraverts see me as an oddball. It causes weird relationships, to say the least.


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    every introvert i know i give space. if they wanna talk then they will approach me to talk. dont get me wrong, ill say hi and attempt to start up conversation, but if they dont seem to be biting i give em all the space they need.

    i think many times introverts are looked at as weird or "oddball"s as you mentioned mainly for the same reason that intuitives are looked at as weird, the reason being that neither are a dominant part of the population. i would say 15 - 25% of the population would be introverted. same percentages apply to intuitives.
    "Honest differences are often a healthy sign of progress. "

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    Based on the dictionary's definition of the word, this is something that all SJs seek as part of their core values:
    so?cial? ?/?so???l/ adjective
    1. pertaining to, devoted to, or characterized by friendly companionship or relations: a social club.
    2. seeking or enjoying the companionship of others; friendly; sociable; gregarious.
    3. of, pertaining to, connected with, or suited to polite or fashionable society: a social event.
    4. living or disposed to live in companionship with others or in a community, rather than in isolation: People are social beings.
    5. of or pertaining to human society, esp. as a body divided into classes according to status: social rank.
    6. involved in many social activities: We're so busy working, we have to be a little less social now.
    7. of or pertaining to the life, welfare, and relations of human beings in a community: social problems.
    8. noting or pertaining to activities designed to remedy or alleviate certain unfavorable conditions of life in a community, esp. among the poor.
    9. pertaining to or advocating socialism.
    10. Zoology. living habitually together in communities, as bees or ants. Compare solitary (def. 8).
    11. Botany. growing in patches or clumps.
    12. Rare. occurring or taking place between allies or confederates.
    noun 13. a social gathering or party, esp. of or as given by an organized group: a church social.
    So I would say that all SJs, including ISJs will be more social oriented than NTs in particular and the other temperaments. Based on my years of posting at entp.org, there are many extraverts who realize their need to tone down their antics in social situations due to faux pas. ESTPs are very good and conscious of their appearing too rambunctious at inappropriate times. So we should not confuse being naturally gregarious as being social since being loud and boisterous, or wanting to be around people does not equate to being social if the extravert cannot or does not adhere to social decorum.

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