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    Quote Originally Posted by Eileen View Post
    Is "I need help with x" informing or directing?
    That's informing. You're giving them information rather than giving them a direction to do something, even though it's implied in the statement.

    Everyone does both at times, of course, but some types will have an inclination towards one or the other.
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    I think that overall, I use an informing style, then--if I'm not at work. I hate telling people what to do.
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    A comic scenario of informative versus directive style is this:

    My two and a half year old nephew has decided that he does not want to eat his creamed peas any more (Can we blame him?), but rather than waste them (That's unethical!) he will use them to "paint" the kitchen wall to establish his intentions as an abstract expressionist.

    Nephew: *flings peas with spoon* *claps* (Clearly, an accomplishment.)
    Me: *frown* No, mijo, no-no! Do NOT fling your peas senor.
    Nephew: *pauses* *considers me* *eyes me daringly* *slowly lifts hand with spoon* *flings it perpendicularly as he stares me down* *squeals* *gurgles gibberish*
    Me: *open-mouthed* Definite no-no! Do NOT fling your peas! You had better stop before Tia takes them away!

    My ExTP brother/his father hears the yelling and comes into the kitchen...

    Brother: Son! What the hell is this?! What are you doing?! Do you really think Daddy wants to clean all this up?!
    Nephew: *stares blankly* *turns away bored and flings more peas*
    Brother: D*mnit! Son! What's the matter with you?! That's BAD.
    Me: Uh Ry, you're trying to REASON with a toddler. It's not gonna work.
    Brother: *sighs exasperated* Son, are you done eating now? Are you gonna give Daddy the spoon?
    Nephew: *drops spoon on the floor* *looks at us puzzled* *flings peas with fingers* *stops to pick his nose with a pea-covered finger*
    Me: Oh for the love of God Ry, just take the d*mn things away from him!
    Brother: Hah, oh yeah. Good idea. *chuckles*
    Me: *scowls*

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    Directing: "Give me that money or I'll rip your fucking balls out!"

    Informing: "If I do not get that money, your balls will be mine!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfy View Post
    So everybody does both how are people deciding their preference? Counting them?
    I go by which one I feel most comfortable using. For me, it's directing. I've been told I'm bossy sometimes, but really, I have a hard time with the informing style because I end up fumbling the request and it comes out sounding confused and unsure. To me, directing is just more efficient and it's not meant to be bossy, I just find it faster to say "Hand me that screwdriver" than "I need a screwdriver for this thing" while looking expectantly at someone else (because then I have to wait for the gears to click in their head and process the statement). And it seems that whenever I'm in a leadership position, things tend to run more smoothly if I use a directing style, though I am a huge proponent of giving people as much information as possible about the situation before proceeding with commands (that way my commands make sense and it seems less like I'm throwing my weight around).

    I do both, anyways, though. And I will temper directing statements so they sound a little more informing.

    Example:

    Directing...

    "Be quiet!"

    when tempered becomes...

    "Shhh! It's hard to hear." (you see here there's the command, followed by information)

    which when informing is...

    "I can't hear what's being said, you're talking too loud."

    and informing tempered by directing, but still informing, would be...

    "It's hard to hear, please, keep it down." (here you have information, followed by a command)
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    Quote Originally Posted by LostInNerSpace View Post
    INTPs often do both. Our Ne/Ti nexus causes us to present opinion as fact. We wear our intuition on our sleeves. People often find it irritating. I personally try to limit it with varying degrees of success.
    That would be interesting to see since both ENTPs and INTPs prefer to inform than direct. However Berens does offer the caveat that due to social expectations men are more apt to direct and women inform. Nevertheless with all being equal, ENTPs may be a bit more directive, but INTPs will not because they also prefer control of information instead of focusing on movement of the group.

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    Quote Originally Posted by proteanmix View Post
    I so don't want a potentially good thread to turn into a bunch of stereotypes.

    Directive style communicators typically group in ExxJ or in the In Charge personality quad.
    Why are you leaving out the "Chart the Course" group? You also leave out ESTP from the "In Charge" group.

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    The booklet gives some examples that may be more subtle than those given:

    Informative-We're out of milk.
    Directive - Can you pick up some milk please?

    I don't have the booklet in front of me, but there are subtle yet tell-tale differences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by "?" View Post
    Why are you leaving out the "Chart the Course" group? You also leave out ESTP from the "In Charge" group.
    Omission because I forgot but also I think EJs tend to be more openly directive than the Chart the Course group.

    I still am not getting what people are saying when they say directive. All I see are a bunch of rude demands being called directive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffster View Post
    "We have a meeting today at 3:00."

    "You will come to a meeting today at 3:00."
    Heh. I've actually been in supervisory roles before, and I was painfully informative. instead of saying "Do x," I would say something like

    "You might have a job tomorrow if you do x soon."

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