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    Quote Originally Posted by bluemonday View Post
    I don't think anyone is suggesting it's certain. But it is plausible at least, don't you think? Or are you agreeing with Jack and saying the Ti/Te distinction is nonsense? I'm not sure I'm understanding the issue here.
    I think the Te/Ti distinction is not as important as many people make out. As Eric put it wonderfully (even if he is playing coy now) it's more a difference of focus than function. Focus is a factor but the functions themselves deserve treating as important seperately. I've seen far too much blx written by people pontificating about Fe vs Fi and other such rubbish. There is no versus. It's all F.
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    What about ?:

    Ego:
    1.Leading Function
    2.Creative Function

    Super-Ego
    3.Role Function
    4.Vulnerable Function

    Super-Id:
    5.Suggestive Function
    6.Mobilizing Function

    Id:
    7.Ignoring Function
    8.Demonstrative Function

    Wherein the Ego and the Super-Ego block contradict each other with function type but not direction (I or E) and Super-Id and Id are a negative copy of the first 2 blocks, starting with the 4th function.

    That makes ENTp:

    1.Ne 2.Ti
    3.Se 4.Fi
    5.Si 6.Fe
    7.Ni 8.Te

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xander View Post
    Belief? That's it.. go change you name. I humbly suggest Anathema.

    You misunderstand... I didn't say there wasn't a truth, I just meant that there was no decisive proof of this working one way or another, and that people could find justification for whichever one they believe in. In fact, all the different perspectives on how they work may well show different underlying truths that cannot be reasonably reconciled inside a single paradigm, at least not at the level at which people currently communicate.

    Where the hell have you been?


    That's a much simpler way of getting people close to what I'm trying to get at!
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    Quote Originally Posted by entropie View Post
    What about ?:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Athenian200 View Post
    You misunderstand... I didn't say there wasn't a truth, I just meant that there was no decisive proof of this working one way or another, and that people could find justification for whichever one they believe in.
    Awww.....

    You get a triple A star in comforting NTs

    In fact, all the different perspectives on how they work may well show different underlying truths that cannot be reasonably reconciled inside a single paradigm, at least not at the level at which people currently communicate.
    Easy is for other's to work on. I'm after the BIG kills

    ie I'm trying to prove that it can and should be done..... my way..


    Ah, some member on here intimidated me into running away because I hurt them somehow, and I feared reprisal. I'm hoping they've forgotten about me. If not, I guess I'll just have to deal with it.
    I was kidding... I didn't expect a factual response..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Athenian200 View Post
    It seems to me that it depends on how you view the nature of Thinking. If you see Te and Ti as different aspects of the same basic thing, and think that skill in one has a reasonable connection/correlation to skill in the other, then what you're saying makes sense.

    If someone believes that Te and Ti are irreconcilably different functions and work on different principles, then they will likely go with traditional ordering (Ti, Ne, Si, Fe, Te, Ni, Se, Fi). If they believe that they are different applications of the same basic essence, then it should go (Ti, Ne, Te, Ni, Si, Fe, Se, Fi) or something rather close.

    Basically, I think if you're right, then INTPs prefer both variations of N and T to both variations of S and F, although they most prefer Ti and Ne.
    Belief? What's belief got to do with anything? Maybe Victor was right....

    What would be required for proof?


    EDIT. Xander just said pretty much the same thing.

    Even if these things can't be proven in any real sense at this point in time, it should be possible to derive criteria which could prove/disprove each scenario.
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    The socionics model is actually a good one, better than MBTI.

    It tends to describe one or two things better for me where MBTI lacked making sense.

    Try it out: Functions - Wikisocion
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    Quote Originally Posted by bluemonday View Post
    Belief? What's belief got to do with anything? Maybe Victor was right....

    What would be required for proof?


    EDIT. Xander just said pretty much the same thing.

    Even if these things can't be proven in any real sense at this point in time, it should be possible to derive criteria which could prove/disprove each scenario.
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    Quote Originally Posted by entropie View Post
    The socionics model is actually a good one, better than MBTI.

    It tends to describe one or two things better for me where MBTI lacked making sense.

    Try it out: Functions - Wikisocion
    Dude, I'm trying to get MBTI's functions to make sense. One thing at a time!!

    Jeez!
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    Dont try to hard, they really only make sense if you start benting the system. But if you take another system into account, you will get more satisfieing results
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    Quote Originally Posted by entropie View Post


    Dont try to hard, they really only make sense if you start benting the system. But if you take another system into account, you will get more satisfieing results
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