Describe Si more clearly

[raz]

Yeah, I know exactly what you mean! My Si goes nuts around ENFPs, I start remembering all kinds of stupid crap.

And there you go again!

There has to be a difference between the Se attention to detail and the Si attention to detail. Look at Jennifer's example earlier with her ESFP son. He noticed SO many details in his surroundings. I don't think that's restricted to nature walks. Wouldn't that also apply to a detail attentiveness in, say, accounting?

Someone with Se can spot details. However, as someone with Si, I'm better at recalling details. Seeing details and remembering details are two different things.

For instance, an ISTP has Ti/Se. They take in detailed information about their surroundings through their perceptive Sensing, but focus on Ti to sort it out. That's backwards, I know, since Ti is dominant. Si focuses more on remembering details, and then using Te to structure the Si user's world. That would mean they'd prefer a job where they are required to remember a lot of details, but are then asked to provide logical structure to something. Those are two varying approaches to the same field, accounting.

 

[Jack Flak]

There has to be a difference between the Se attention to detail and the Si attention to detail. Look at Jennifer's example earlier with her ESFP son. He noticed SO many details in his surroundings. I don't think that's restricted to nature walks. Wouldn't that also apply to a detail attentiveness in, say, accounting?

Someone with Se can spot details. However, as someone with Si, I'm better at recalling details. Seeing details and remembering details are two different things.

For instance, an ISTP has Ti/Se. They take in detailed information about their surroundings through their perceptive Sensing, but focus on Ti to sort it out. That's backwards, I know, since Ti is dominant. Si focuses more on remembering details, and then using Te to structure the Si user's world. That would mean they'd prefer a job where they are required to remember a lot of details, but are then asked to provide logical structure to something. Those are two varying approaches to the same field, accounting.

You got all your ideas locked in and set for life, do you? Well Wham-O! Here's the socionics function description which instead describes the type you are (ISTj, aka LSI) as using Ti+Se! And of course they do an excellent job. It's a madcap circus of mayhem!

 

[Jack Flak]

Haha, forgot the link. Told you it was a CIRCUS: Logical Sensory Introvert - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[INTJMom]

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Someone with Se can spot details. However, as someone with Si, I'm better at recalling details. Seeing details and remembering details are two different things.
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Excellent point.

 

[raz]

So, did I just come to a conclusion on my own that was already made by socionics, then?

 

[Jack Flak]

So, did I just come to a conclusion on my own that was already made by socionics, then?

No.

I was making the ever-lovely point that you can use the same function to describe anyone if you want to.

If you really think about it, more than Myers did, you'll realize that STJs are more interested in Thinking Judgments than any kind of Sensing. SPs are more interested in sensing, and it makes perfect "sense," too.

To make my point absoultely clear: "I think Ti-Se is a better functional description of ISTJ than Si-Te, but I think T-S is better still, as in my function system."

 

[Amargith]

So in light of all this..what would be a good way of training Si. For instance that memory game where you have to find the card that's exactly like the one you're holding? Any other examples?

 

[Jack Flak]

So in light of all this..what would be a good way of training Si. For instance that memory game where you have to find the card that's exactly like the one you're holding? Any other examples?

I haven't seen anything to lead me to believe functions themselves can be trained. Specific skills, yes.

Memory tricks can be learned, of course, and practiced.

 

[Amargith]

Maybe training is the wrong word, but I take it that to develop a function properly, you need to use it, yes? I'm asking coz supposedly Si is my 4th function and (yes I know you do not necessarily believe this stuff) using it supposedly is a healthy way of dealing with stress...I figured I'd try it out

 

[Jack Flak]

Maybe training is the wrong word, but I take it that to develop a function properly, you need to use it, yes? I'm asking coz supposedly Si is my 4th function and (yes I know you do not necessarily believe this stuff) using it supposedly is a healthy way of dealing with stress...I figured I'd try it out

I don't know...A person can't help but decide things based on emotion and logic, and perceive the world around them. We do it all the time, so I don't see how you could increase their use. If you try to work on something like Sensing, by skiing for example, I think you're going to learn a lot more about skiing than using your senses.

 

[Amargith]

I understand your point. So how do you become more balanced in your type?

 

[Jack Flak]

I understand your point. So how do you become more balanced in your type?

Get older, know people, work, play. It's hard not to balance. I'm in the process of reversing it now though, by living in my mind just like the good old days.

 

[Amargith]

So you're fighting the maturing process?

 

[Jack Flak]

So you're fighting the maturing process?

Well...You don't get many intellectual insights while you're occupied with the mundane reality of everyday life. There's always an upside.

 

[Amargith]

LOL, debating me must be a push-over for you. I couldn't agree more

 

[Jack Flak]

LOL, debating me must be a push-over for you. I couldn't agree more

You, specifically? Oh, I love conversations with intelligent and perceptive folks like yourself. There's a rewarding reciprocity to it, which is a bit LACKING when you're dealing with an idiot. (Not that I've ever dealt with an idiot before, and especially not on the internet, let alone this forum. Naturally.)

 

[Amargith]

LOL, that sounded an aweful lot like a disclaimer

 

[Jack Flak]

LOL, that sounded an aweful lot like a disclaimer

I DISCLAIM NOTHING

 

[Siúil a Rúin]

And there you go again!

There has to be a difference between the Se attention to detail and the Si attention to detail. Look at Jennifer's example earlier with her ESFP son. He noticed SO many details in his surroundings. I don't think that's restricted to nature walks. Wouldn't that also apply to a detail attentiveness in, say, accounting?

Someone with Se can spot details. However, as someone with Si, I'm better at recalling details. Seeing details and remembering details are two different things.

For instance, an ISTP has Ti/Se. They take in detailed information about their surroundings through their perceptive Sensing, but focus on Ti to sort it out. That's backwards, I know, since Ti is dominant. Si focuses more on remembering details, and then using Te to structure the Si user's world. That would mean they'd prefer a job where they are required to remember a lot of details, but are then asked to provide logical structure to something. Those are two varying approaches to the same field, accounting.

That clarifies things. Si is an interesting function because it has to do with internalizing the external, concrete world. It has a stabilizing quality as well.

 

[entropie]

I guess it rather scares me away than it does stabilize me