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    Quote Originally Posted by Antisocial one View Post
    Thought are not objective but they are the most objective thing we have.
    Agreed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalach View Post
    Thought objective?

    Which "thought", the product or the process?

    And what "objective, the one where your thinking is unclouded by personal bias or the one where you think things that really are true?

    Somebody read Wittgenstein's Private Language argument and report back. I think it goes: if the language inside my head were truly private--that's to say, created by me and me alone, without at least some objective reference to something genuinely "shared" by other persons--aka "subjective"--then it will be private even from me too. Which is to say, a private language is impossible. Without an independent, perceivable, identifiable object of some kind, there is logically no basis for identifying the meaning of any of the terms of the language. You won't be able to tell yourself what words mean. Something like that.

    Next, you have to assume that God didn't fill up your head with a bunch of meanings and set you loose to roam around inside your apparent head with your supposed body and a bunch of other seeming people. Because he could have done that, and really you're just a Matrix-blob in an isolation tank. But you know what? If that's the way it worked, if some outside agency plugged a bunch of subjective facts into your head and made you dream a reality, then there is still something out there...

    So... yeah, thought is objective.

    Or at least it has a chance to be.
    Meaning does not portray the word.
    Word portrays the meaning.

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    What is the meaning of life?
    Life is what is left.
    What is what is left?
    What is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by INTJMom View Post
    I was thinking that thought can be subjective because part of what initiates the thought process is what we see or take in with our other senses. Everyone looks out at the world through a glass that is colored by their own pre-conceived ideas and beliefs. So the thought-sample is tainted upon receipt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wildcat View Post
    What is the meaning of life?
    Life is what is left.
    What is what is left?
    What is.
    You're quite right.

    Life is what we have- it's what unites us and divides us.

    I'd say though that it's more like a good sushi roll- pop it into your mouth whole and savor it that way. If you dissect it, or think about it, it's ruined

    I know a lot of people who hate sushi...
    “Oh, we're always alright. You remember that. We happen to other people.” -Terry Pratchett

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    Yes.

    Weight does not counter.
    Balance does.

    Weight is what is left.
    Of the counter.

    A cell is a compact.
    The idea of a cell is to tame oxygen.

    Do not break the cell.
    Eat sushi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wildcat View Post
    Meaning does not portray the word.
    Word portrays the meaning.
    Yeah.

    And in the absence of an action to link the word to the meaning--for example, if there were no real objects, thus fundamentally no chance to even start the process of linking anything to anything--then there isn't any portrait.

    Nothing outside your head means nothing inside your head.

    Without the first input, minds are stillborn.

    I could go on.

    But I might wrong.

    Ramma lamma.

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