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    I used to run on the back roads at home- the views were more interesting and it was quieter out there.

    My sis and I always took back roads anywhere we ever went- it was more of an adventure than driving on the highways.

    Now I drive the back roads to take photographs- the real culture of the area is seated around the back roads, not the interstates.

    By foot though, you can walk beside the river in the sand with bare feet and feel the mud between your toes. You can never do that in a car
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    SO...

    What are you trying to say, exactly?

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    Quote Originally Posted by whatever View Post
    I used to run on the back roads at home- the views were more interesting and it was quieter out there.

    My sis and I always took back roads anywhere we ever went- it was more of an adventure than driving on the highways.

    Now I drive the back roads to take photographs- the real culture of the area is seated around the back roads, not the interstates.

    By foot though, you can walk beside the river in the sand with bare feet and feel the mud between your toes. You can never do that in a car
    How true.
    Experience is inborn.
    Objectivity is an exclusion.
    Life is within.

    It is as you said.

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    Woudl it be true to say that thought is objective but the conclusions it draws are not?
    Isn't it time for a colourful metaphor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xander View Post
    Woudl it be true to say that thought is objective but the conclusions it draws are not?
    It depends on what type of thought it is. INTPs (Ti) is more objective than (Ni) INTJs. In any situation, depends also on what basis the thought is made, on what stimuli was it quantified on. There is something lost in the movement from thought to conclusion, definantly. Since a subjective conclusion, is being made (a personal choice), it is less likely to be accurate as the thought, it has taken on a possibility. On the flip side, wouldn't say INTJs thoughts become relatively more "objective" for them with Te?

    The question really being asked is it possible to be "truly" objective? Or is objective thought the best subjective approximation.

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    Perhaps a refinement to my original statement should be that perhaps concept is objective?
    Isn't it time for a colourful metaphor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xander View Post
    Perhaps a refinement to my original statement should be that perhaps concept is objective?
    What makes you think concept is objective?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xander View Post
    Woudl it be true to say that thought is objective but the conclusions it draws are not?
    Thought is subjective.

    Does the mirror turn the side?
    It looks like it.

    The mirror does not turn anything.

    A component is one.
    Number two is not a component number.

    What is the number of a dichotomy of a component?
    It is one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wildcat View Post
    Thought is subjective.

    Does the mirror turn the side?
    It looks like it.

    The mirror does not turn anything.

    A component is one.
    Number two is not a component number.

    What is the number of a dichotomy of a component?
    It is one.
    Mirrors don't do a thing except reflect. Using mirrors is a poor analogy anyway because the image is turned upside down by the eye looking at the mirror.

    Thought is objective... it may not produce objective results but that's in a different arena is it not? Would it not be true to say that it would be objective in the context of the internal world regardless of if it is in the external world. Ergo concept would be objective at least initially.

    Oh and those numbers... a component is one a dichotomy is one... so the component which must by nature consist of elements of both sides of the dichotomy also equals one? If only such were believable.
    Isn't it time for a colourful metaphor?

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    I was thinking that thought can be subjective because part of what initiates the thought process is what we see or take in with our other senses. Everyone looks out at the world through a glass that is colored by their own pre-conceived ideas and beliefs. So the thought-sample is tainted upon receipt.

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