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    Default Tertiary and Inferior

    Utter nonsense.

    Naysayers, state your case.
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    I happen to be a yaysayer, so I will state no case.

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    I oughto've made this a poll.

    Just a moment -- I'll get Ivy on the horn.
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    I think you can increase their effect by sheer work, but its not easy. School basically tested the shit of my Si. Soccer and school combined helped me with my Fe. All in all they are only moderately useful when I chose to wield them consciously, and even then with only passable function.

    I think it might have been wiser to focus on my dominant and auxilary though. My dominant function is relatively weak for an INTP.
    My cold, snide, intellectual life is just a veneer, behind which lies the plywood of loneliness.

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    Be more careful in your reading Aimahn.
    I'm talking about the concept of tertiary and inferior functions -- the strict, catholicesque shithead ideology that we know now as "the four function model."

    It's not but conceptual sputum.
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    Hmm. I think it largely depends on your drives. By no means do I think its as static as it's made out to be, nor do I necessarily agree whole heartedly with the concept. But I don't think I'm incorrect in drawing out a general trend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aimahn View Post
    Hmm. I think it largely depends on your drives. By no means do I think its as static as it's made out to be, nor do I necessarily agree whole heartedly with the concept. But I don't think I'm incorrect in drawing out a general trend.
    LOL. So you don't think it's the truth, but it's somehow valid still?

    Forgive me, Nocapszy's derisiveness rubs off on me from time to time.

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    I definitely think there's a statistically significant correlation between Ti and Fe and Fi and Te. Ditto for Ni/Se and Si/Ne.

    I just think that the way they're defined, they work together better. Like Ti/Fe works better (in terms of social fitness) than Ti/Fi (not that this is true in every case).

    But that doesn't necessarily mean the model should be so strict. I don't think there should be an order for the 3rd and 4th. I also don't really think it makes sense to think of there being 8 separate functions, but you already know my reasoning about that.

    If we think of it as 4 functions with spectrums of I/E, 2 spectrums for Thinking vs. Feeling and Sensing vs. Intuition, and a spectrum for J vs. P, we can produce lots of different 8-function orders (as long as we have translation weights -- simple percentages would do). An INFJ could be Ni Ne Fe Fi ... or Ni Fe Ne Fi ... or Ni Ti Fe Ne ... or, well, lots of possible orders.

    Gah I need to figure out how to program some little sliding spectrum things; then I could make a demo of my understanding.


    P.S. Every time I say something like "Fe", I mean, imagine breaking the spectrum of I/E for Feeling in two at the middle. Fe is one side, Fi is the other -- they aren't two separate entities as much as two mutually exclusive areas of the same 1 dimensional space.

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    Yeah diss... NO RLY. Taking Fi and Fe by Jung's definitions only, I'm about 10x more Fi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flak View Post
    Yeah diss... NO RLY. Taking Fi and Fe by Jung's definitions only, I'm about 10x more Fi.
    I haven't seen that. But who knows.

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