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    Quote Originally Posted by wildcat View Post
    Extrusion is not about the object.
    It is about the subject.
    Oh, now. Use the subject as a die to adduction's sheet metal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by htb View Post
    Oh, now. Use the subject as a die to adduction's sheet metal.
    An uneven match.

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    I am quite irritated by the general function order discussion.
    The object of irritation is not the people who have won acclaim in a circle of friends.
    Not the authorities in the discussion.

    I do not need to agree with the authors in everything.
    I do give credit to their intelligence, knowledge and effort.

    Unfortunately authority of any kind inevitably becomes a vehicle of corruption.

    The agent of corruption is not the author.
    The agent of corruption is the disciple.

    The paradox is that there is no space between the object and the subject.
    The cause is the effect.

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    An illustration about the mechanics of cause and effect.
    The economists call space inflation.

    What was the inflation rate in the US before the crash of 29?

    A relevant question:
    Is inflation inside or outside of matter?

    Hence what is the position of the number nine to zero?

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    Would an ESTJ or an ESFJ make a good judge?
    No.
    Why?

    A good judge has to be field independent.
    What is the field?

    There was in this forum a thread about handwriting.
    I read it through and then I read what the Swedish wikipedia says about the subject.
    There was not many lines there. The thing amounted to a flat statement that the study of handwriting is superstition and has no validity whatsoever. No discussion.

    That reminds me of my teachers at high school and the university. No discussion. About anything.

    One of the first things you can detect in a handwriting of an individual is field independence.

    I read in the thread that the writing of a left handed individual tilts to the left. Not if the left hander is field independent. Any more than the right hander tilts to the right if he/she is field independent.
    No tilt.

    Other things you can quickly detect in a handwriting is the level of control and energy and the interplay of control and energy. You can discover the form level and the rythm.
    All these things are interconnected.

    If you have a low energy and a low control but they are about in a balance you have a good rythm.
    If you have a weak energy and a slightly weaker control your handwriting has a soft quality and you have a good rythm.
    If you have a weak control and a slightly weaker level of energy your handwriting is remarkably conscious and slow but firm.

    If you have a high energy and a high level of control but they are about in a balance you have a good rythm.

    If you have a low energy and a way lower level of control your handwriting disintegrates. It does not have a rythm.
    If you have a low control and a way lower level of energy your handwriting is slow, ponderous, but stays in line. There is a forced quality of regularity.

    Etc..

    For example, there are different kinds of looseness or stiffness depending on the variety.

    Of the stiff variety there is the formal, the constrained, the ceremonious, the punctilious, the prim, the starch, the stilted, the stately, the chilling, the frigid type.

    Or there is the austere, the dogmatic, the uncompromising, the inexorable type.

    Or there is the inelegant, the cramped, the harsh, the crude, the graceless, the abrupt type.

    And then there is the sobriety. Temperance, abstinence, calmness.

    This has nothing to do with the individual study of characters. I have no estimation of the latter study. I am ignorant of it.

    When does introversion bring about individual evaluation (field independence)?
    When it is rational.
    It is called reflection.

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    Wildcat,

    If the person is not the system then how is the system the person? It isn't and perhaps shouldn't ever be. Perhaps we should stick to our generalised stereotypes because past that point the models & tables become of less use.

    Plus where do you incorporate anything except cognitive wiring into this? I am not just my cognitive wiring.... I think....
    Isn't it time for a colourful metaphor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xander View Post
    Wildcat,

    If the person is not the system then how is the system the person? It isn't and perhaps shouldn't ever be. Perhaps we should stick to our generalised stereotypes because past that point the models & tables become of less use.

    Plus where do you incorporate anything except cognitive wiring into this? I am not just my cognitive wiring.... I think....
    What is a map?

    AB = BA. A map.
    Wrong.

    AB = AB.
    Another map.
    A repetition.

    Vice versa comes in handy?
    No.

    What comes in handy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wildcat View Post
    What is a map?

    AB = BA. A map.
    Wrong.

    AB = AB.
    Another map.
    A repetition.

    Vice versa comes in handy?
    No.

    What comes in handy?

    Wha?

    What's a map got to do with it? I'm lost.

    All I was saying was that even if you can plot the function order for each type with precision, you'll be no further forward than if you hadn't bothered. It means less the further you get away from the subject.

    What is handy would be some kinda typing which can be applied with clarity but in helpful ways. I'm coming to think that beyond the whole NT/ ST/ NF/ SF classifications the rest if just detail and fairly unnecessary for the layman anyway.
    Isn't it time for a colourful metaphor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xander View Post

    Wha?

    What's a map got to do with it? I'm lost.

    All I was saying was that even if you can plot the function order for each type with precision, you'll be no further forward than if you hadn't bothered. It means less the further you get away from the subject.

    What is handy would be some kinda typing which can be applied with clarity but in helpful ways. I'm coming to think that beyond the whole NT/ ST/ NF/ SF classifications the rest if just detail and fairly unnecessary for the layman anyway.
    Yes.
    The layman thing is perfect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wildcat View Post
    Yes.
    The layman thing is perfect.
    That seems to be it's gift and it's curse, unfortunately. Slightly too perfect. It just doesn't properly reflect the duality in people's nature unless you include the shadow but that's complicating things.

    Perhaps the current system is the best one? The E/I differentiation seems important to many circumstances and the J/P explains many things too. Perhaps it is just necessary to recognise them as subdivisions and not as strong as the primary four. I believe, in fact, that the MBTI table is layed out as such.. not that you'd notice unless you looked at it with the foreknowledge of such.
    Isn't it time for a colourful metaphor?

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