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    Once you change the system to incorporate all this stuff, you're done. There's nothing more the system can do.

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    ok, then go on

    Too much for me to take in
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    To dissonance.

    I was thinking about your spectrum idea for each of the four individual "functions" and are you saying that if you are closer to 50% you are equally adept at both with a limiting factor in overall strength, or does it imply adept at both with no limiting factor in strength.

    For example T N S F with valuations for each of the four functions.

    Does 60/40 in Terms of T mean

    Ti Te

    or does it mean

    Ti -----Te
    My cold, snide, intellectual life is just a veneer, behind which lies the plywood of loneliness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by entropie View Post
    Yes of course, but you cant change a system again and again and again. Then it was flawed from the beginning.
    Why do writers edit their work?

    Because it was flawed from the beginning. If there's still an interesting idea or particularly good bit of prose, though, the story may be worth the editing. Just because something starts out flawed doesn't mean there was nothing good in it in the first place and that it cannot be fixed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haphazard View Post
    Why do writers edit their work?

    Because it was flawed from the beginning. If there's still an interesting idea or particularly good bit of prose, though, the story may be worth the editing. Just because something starts out flawed doesn't mean there was nothing good in it in the first place and that it cannot be fixed.
    Forgive me. I am an engineer. I like when thinks work. And after things did work. I do not like to change things. Flaw of my nature I guess
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aimahn View Post
    To dissonance.

    I was thinking about your spectrum idea for each of the four individual "functions" and are you saying that if you are closer to 50% you are equally adept at both with a limiting factor in overall strength, or does it imply adept at both with no limiting factor in strength.

    For example T N S F with valuations for each of the four functions.

    Does 60/40 in Terms of T mean

    Ti Te

    or does it mean

    Ti -----Te
    Ah. Well I guess there have to be two variables attached to each function, one for amount of usage, one for introversion/extroversion value. Then maybe there should be an extra variable in the system for ratio of judging to perceiving.

    With all those variables, you have all the information the system can carry.

    Edit: I just realized I made that more complicated than it had to be...

    Variables --
    For Thinking - introversion/extroversion
    For Feeling - introversion/extroversion
    For Sensing - introversion/extroversion
    For Intuiting - introversion/extroversion
    For Judging - ratio of thinking/feeling
    For Perceiving - ratio of sensing/intuiting
    Extra - ratio of perceiving/judging

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    It's already hard enough to grasp the MBTI fully from the beginning. And if then it's all mixed up again and again, you really do not know what to believe in anymore.

    Then you reach the point when you say to yourself. Fuck em all, one day they talk that and the other day they talk this. Do they really know what they are talking ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dissonance View Post
    Ah. Well I guess there have to be two variables attached to each function, one for amount of usage, one for introversion/extroversion value. Then maybe there should be an extra variable in the system for ratio of judging to perceiving.

    With all those variables, you have all the information the system can carry.
    Why must the system be so complicated? What's wrong with the simple 8 functions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by entropie View Post
    Forgive me. I am an engineer. I like when thinks work. And after things did work. I do not like to change things. Flaw of my nature I guess
    No, no, this opinion is so justified it hurts. The system discussed in this thread has no practical use. It's only valid as a subject of contemplation.

    The underlying thesis is "There are too many types of people to describe with sixteen types. We should attempt to describe them all." It's worse than the confusing mess that is Jungian functions.

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    Well if your issue is whether there should be separate Extroversion/Introversion directions for the four main functions, would this not be wise to contemplate?

    Do you think there is no distinction?

    Do you propose new definitions?
    My cold, snide, intellectual life is just a veneer, behind which lies the plywood of loneliness.

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