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    Quote Originally Posted by mlittrell View Post
    first off, i think the tertiary is under conscious control, but to engage it is somewhat draining. i know i personally have access to it. in regards to the tests, no the whole thing isn't thrown out the window at all. you just need to use the right tests and your average MBTI test isn't the "right" test. also i test people based purely on observation but sometimes will back it up by using tests. the tests can probably be done even better by first finding out whether they are intuitive or sensing and then eventually narrowing it down to type. for example if someone is an ENTP: N/S -> NF/NT -> NTP/NTJ -> E/I. so basically you give them a couple questions that determine whether they are an intuitive or sensor. this splits off half of the types. then it figures out temperament. for testing this they could have questions and/or show them the temperament profiles. then once the temperament is figured out, it basically figures out what the J/P is in a functional sense, once again this could be questions and/or profiles. then the E/I which shouldnt be hard. once this is done they can read their profile and agree or disagree. my "logic" (which isn't that much) is that they will easily be able to differentiate what they are during each part of the test. they will know quite easily if they are an intuitive or sensor. they will quite easily know if they are an NT or NF. they will quite easily know if they are an NTP or NTJ. and extrovert and introvert is just whatever. the test, unfortunatelly would have to be quite dynamic, and might not be easy to administer on paper, in which case a computer would be nice.

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    if people like this testing idea ill do it and compile a basic MBTI test using C++.
    What about the checking procedure where they basically ask the same question again later on to try and verify that you are answering honestly. I think it has something to do with your opinion may change as you progress through the testing procedure and it's a deliberate lead. If you start limiting the person's type too early then how would you incorporate such a checking feature or do you think it's a bit of a waste of time?
    Isn't it time for a colourful metaphor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mlittrell View Post
    the tests can probably be done even better by first finding out whether they are intuitive or sensing and then eventually narrowing it down to type. for example if someone is an ENTP: N/S -> NF/NT -> NTP/NTJ -> E/I. so basically you give them a couple questions that determine whether they are an intuitive or sensor. this splits off half of the types. then it figures out temperament. for testing this they could have questions and/or show them the temperament profiles. then once the temperament is figured out, it basically figures out what the J/P is in a functional sense, once again this could be questions and/or profiles. then the E/I which shouldnt be hard. once this is done they can read their profile and agree or disagree. my "logic" (which isn't that much) is that they will easily be able to differentiate what they are during each part of the test. they will know quite easily if they are an intuitive or sensor. they will quite easily know if they are an NT or NF. they will quite easily know if they are an NTP or NTJ. and extrovert and introvert is just whatever. the test, unfortunatelly would have to be quite dynamic, and might not be easy to administer on paper, in which case a computer would be nice.

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    if people like this testing idea ill do it and compile a basic MBTI test using C++.
    Kinda like a workflow / flowchart?
    I like it! Do I count as "people"?
    Do it! Let me know if I can help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xander View Post
    Ooo bad mojo... What's the counterpart of mysogyny? Dictionary anyone??

    Misandry... thank you wikipedia

    Anyhow.. mother's idealise their sons and partners tend to interpret their counterparts in terms of their use rather than their natural state. Although no technique in singular is 100% .. my natural argumentative nature raises it's heckling in the direction of your clutch plan !!

    blah, blah, blah

    I've got concerns about the comparison approach. It's been my primary route into the MBTI but I'm not too sure about whether it's as straddled with problems as every other route. After all the chances of compound error are much greater than typing by the numbers for example.

    See what I mean?

    Obviously, I do it correctly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nightning View Post
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    You might have better luck comparing function interactions than going along with types.

    It makes me think of two different instruments playing the same note. Say a piano and a trombone. You can tell they're the same note because they share the fundamental frequency. Yet the piano sounds nothing like the trombone because the harmonics are all different. In other words, both of you are using Ti as your dominant function, but you're combining it with different kind of functions and drawing from different experiences. I sense a fair bit of Ni and to some extent Fi from wildcat, where as your writing has more Ne exploratory undertones.
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    From what I was just reading about Dynamic Type, I think this explains exactly what they mean by "Dynamic Type".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xander View Post
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    Err... aren't the tertiary and inferior the shadow functions? I'm confused. INTP is Ti Ne Si Fe. Fe Si is ESFJ is it not?
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    According to Quenk, the shadow function is the eruption of the inferior.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluemonday View Post
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    I've become interested in reversing the traditional model for typing people and typing them by inferior function.
    Eg. The INTP would be Fe/Si deficient.

    The rationale being

    a) behaviour derived from subconscious drivers cannot of necessity be faked, so one removes self-deception from the equation.

    b) perceived utility in a clinical/diagnostic/self-improvement context

    Thoughts?
    I use this method also, in conjunction with other methods.
    I agree that what a person lacks is just as helpful in assessing their type.

    Case in point - myself!
    I finally figured out my type by comparing the negative aspects rather than by comparing the positive aspects.
    I.e. I determined I was the type whose negative traits I had the most of.

    That method works for me because I tend to see faults easier the positive traits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by INTJMom View Post
    blah, blah, blah
    Yak, yak, yak, yak, yak...


    Obviously, I do it correctly.
    Yes Mom.
    Isn't it time for a colourful metaphor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by INTJMom View Post
    According to Quenk, the shadow function is the eruption of the inferior.
    That's what I thought!

    Who's been trying to confuse me?? Why I oughta... :steam:
    Quote Originally Posted by INTJMom View Post
    I use this method also, in conjunction with other methods.
    I agree that what a person lacks is just as helpful in assessing their type.

    Case in point - myself!
    I finally figured out my type by comparing the negative aspects rather than by comparing the positive aspects.
    I.e. I determined I was the type whose negative traits I had the most of.

    That method works for me because I tend to see faults easier the positive traits.
    I'm beginning to think that this is an approach more comfortable to Ts. Perhaps Fs find it better to type by observed strengths?

    There again maybe it's just us INTPs?

    Isn't it time for a colourful metaphor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xander View Post
    That's what I thought!

    Who's been trying to confuse me?? Why I oughta... :steam:

    I'm beginning to think that this is an approach more comfortable to Ts. Perhaps Fs find it better to type by observed strengths?

    There again maybe it's just us INTPs?

    A hah, a hah. Very funny. /sarcasm

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    Quote Originally Posted by INTJMom View Post
    A hah, a hah. Very funny. /sarcasm
    Funny cause it's true?

    Isn't it time for a colourful metaphor?

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