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    Quote Originally Posted by Natrushka View Post
    Tree, it's a good home for the birds, if it's big enough, it might need water if it's the idiot neighbours across the street, it's going to help keep the house cool in the summer and all that privacy in the winter (it's obviously a blue spruce!). I'm going to have to get more blood and bone meal, this weekend, and the hydrangea that's going in will need to be 10 feet further away, because this sucker is going to get hyouge.
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    Default Blatting about Trees

    The tree is part of nature. The tree is towering and green and complex and budding, it dances in the organized chaos of the wind currents in some pattern I can sense but cannot fully articulate, itself a beautiful fractal starting from the trunk and webbing upward and outward.

    I climbed the tree as a child, feeling the breeze caress me, I remember the branches swaying under my feet as I clambered up, feeling my way and intuiting what branches would snap and which ones would not, and where I should place my feel for the safest hold, for a brief time the tree and I were symbiotic along with the wind, moving as one, reacting to each other. I cannot explain, I can only remember, but the interaction was rational and fathomable even if it was too complicated to express.

    The tree is hoary and old, ancient wisdom, with far too many rings to count, it has seen histories and years I can only imagine, a living calendar of the world through which it has grown. The rings talk to me, tell a tale of drought and flood, good soil and sandy soil, storm and sun. I wonder if the trees talk to each other. They seem to, but I cannot be sure because I cannot actually hear them... but they dance together as if perfectly choreographed, reacting to each other's movements as one. Balanced -- perfectly balanced, preserving the equilibrium.

    I wonder if the roots go as deeply as the branches go up, curling down to the earth's core and clenching it firmly, anchoring itself. Technically they do not, I know that, but the metaphysics of being anchored in the system? In that sense, everything is woven into everything else....
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    I especially like your tree description, Jennifer. This is really fascinating to have different types describe a tree. I hope this trend continues. It is somehow riveting. Maybe I'll add it to the title.

    Quote Originally Posted by ptgatsby View Post
    If I bring up the concept of a tree with my GF (INTJ), it's more like... Tree? Has bugs. I hate bugs. I hate tree... Tree? It's hot. Tree offer shade. I like tree. It's still different than the S version of Tree? What kind of tree? Is it healthy? How much folliage coverage is there? I got that from my parents...
    I don't see a difference between that and a Sensor except one is asking questions and personalizing it while the other makes concrete observations. Hers sounds like an SJ, while your description of the Sensor sounds more like an SP. Is she a strong N?

    It's my hunch that many Ss test as Ns.
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    So I guess it means there is trouble until the robins come
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    yes, we can have a "TREE" thread!

    (I like the title change, btw -- i had a pleased little laugh when I read it. : ) )
    "Hey Capa -- We're only stardust." ~ "Sunshine"

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    I don't see a difference between that and a Sensor except one is asking questions and personalizing it while the other makes concrete observations. Hers sounds like an SJ, while your description of the Sensor sounds more like an SP. Is she a strong N?
    She's not strongly N over S... in terms of FFM (population), she's more open than about 60% of the population... She's never formally taken the MBTI (I or II).

    I was paraphrasing quite a bit though. What I was implying was that the Ni tends to see things as use, or how it affects them. It represents influence outside of what it is (not as concrete details, but influences of the tree). The NP is driven to see what the tree reflects in other things. Trees are related to nature, nature to us, us to the tree... it's a mystical form of treeism, if you will. NTJs just don't think that way... not that they can't, MBTI being preferences and all that, but they just don't.

    The S answers towards plants are far more technical. For example, my parents are master gardeners... You talk to my mom (ISFp) about a plant and you get only two conversations: the technical conditions for it to grow (this is her SJ side) and the "it's so pretty", which is far more SP.

    For example, she'll have picked some flowers and the first thing she'll say to us is "Don't they smell nice?" or "Aren't they pretty?". The first thing I think of, if I think of them at all, is that it's a shame they were cut and put on table to wilt and die... and often I wonder if there is any real significance to their life - why not let them serve as an attraction, to bring meaning to their life.

    My GF doesn't care... at all. She doesn't care what they look like, she doesn't care what I think about them or any of that fluff stuff. She (more SJ) does care that flowers are brought to the hospital (Si and Ni connection in how it serves them) and she (more NJ) does care that she can manipulate people through token gifts (exerting influence through her actions in flowers, therefore caring what the flowers are like. The significance is "at a distance" and not readily apparent).

    It's my hunch that many Ss test as Ns.
    Heh, then there are very very few "real" Ns

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    Quote Originally Posted by toonia View Post

    I don't see a difference between that and a Sensor except one is asking questions and personalizing it while the other makes concrete observations. Hers sounds like an SJ, while your description of the Sensor sounds more like an SP. Is she a strong N?

    It's my hunch that many Ss test as Ns.
    green leaves, lush foilage, vshaped branches, trunk, which is strong and tall, majestic, root system holding it all in place.

    That's my husband on "a tree" - ISTJ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptgatsby View Post
    The NP is driven to see what the tree reflects in other things. Trees are related to nature, nature to us, us to the tree... it's a mystical form of treeism, if you will.
    All bow down to the Tree! The Tree is as One!
    (well, only if you want to. I think.)

    For example, she'll have picked some flowers and the first thing she'll say to us is "Don't they smell nice?" or "Aren't they pretty?". The first thing I think of, if I think of them at all, is that it's a shame they were cut and put on table to wilt and die... and often I wonder if there is any real significance to their life - why not let them serve as an attraction, to bring meaning to their life.
    Oh dear. That sounds far too familiar.

    As an odd tangent, the older I get, the less I like to "kill" things. Even if it's plants. I'll still pull weeds and mow the yard, but for things like this I'd rather let them stay where they are. (When I was younger, I used to have no real qualms, but now it's like everything is part of an interlocking system and I just don't like disrupting it.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    As an odd tangent, the older I get, the less I like to "kill" things. Even if it's plants. I'll still pull weeds and mow the yard, but for things like this I'd rather let them stay where they are. (When I was younger, I used to have no real qualms, but now it's like everything is part of an interlocking system and I just don't like disrupting it.)
    Yes, definitely, with the exception of mosquitos and slugs. I like to take my salt shaker to the garden when I go slug hunting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    All bow down to the Tree! The Tree is as One!
    (well, only if you want to. I think.)

    As an odd tangent, the older I get, the less I like to "kill" things. Even if it's plants. I'll still pull weeds and mow the yard, but for things like this I'd rather let them stay where they are. (When I was younger, I used to have no real qualms, but now it's like everything is part of an interlocking system and I just don't like disrupting it.)
    I'm not sure that works for me and plants. I am a one man destroyer of plant life. I hate gardening with such a passion that I actually use to sneak out of the house to rip apart plants. My parents used me to deforest - and I use that term literally - groves of their banana plants. I use to take this wicked looking serrated pruning saw and hack them into literal mulch. It became a challenge to see how fast I could destroy any semblance of a living plant. It got so bad that as the alpha of our pet dog, the dog actually started to emulate me. Of which, btw, there is nothing cuter than a dog ripping apart a 10 inch thick banana stalk as the owner is literally jumping up on down on it.

    I was somewhat traumatized as far as plants go, as you can tell.

    So when I talk about INTPs and plants, I'm so not talking about me. I'm more likely to pour draino into the flower vase than I am to feel bad for them.

    (This strange warping is rather unusual... I still love nature and use to sit under trees for the entire day reading or thinking. I love hiking and I love going to the national parks, including flower parts. But when I visit my parents, my only thoughts on the garden is how to flatten and salt their land.)

    If you need a form of evil personified, I'm sure the trees would agree that I'd be appropriate. I'd be the devil to your treenity anyday.

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    Trees: I never thought that much about trees until I moved out west. In North Dakota, the part where I lived, the prairie rolled, covered in tall grass and dotted with small, gnarled cottonwoods. The only trees besides those were planted trees. I was surprised to find that every autumn I became homesick for trees of all things.

    Where I'm from, trees grow like weeds. If you don't want them, you have to keep them cut back. It's as if the land remembers that it was once forest and is eager to return to that state. In the autumn they are brilliant. Gold, browns, reds. The air is crisp and the sky is unusually clear and blue. The contrast is pretty breathtaking.

    I love that scene and think it's beautiful, but leaving it and missing it showed me that it is more than something nice to look at, it's a part of me. Trees are tied to my sense of happiness and well-being. Without them the landscape feels stark and robbed and lonely to me. I feel uprooted and displaced.
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