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    Quote Originally Posted by cloakofsnow View Post
    Yes, but I do wonder if he meant for the system to be as neat and tidy as Myers-Briggs has made it. He never specified the E/I direction of the auxiliary function. And the things he says often surprises me when he's speaking outside of his book, Psychological Types. He would say that Freud is actually an Introvert, even though he said he was an Extravert in PT, and that Freud is actually a Feeling type, even though his system is Thinking, etc. I find it hard to know what Jung really thinks regarding people's types as people.
    He didn't really believing in typing people, in typologies per se (despite inventing one - typical INTP :rolli

    He was more interested in clinical applications.

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    I totally disagree that INTPs are more N than T.

    (And I disagree with 7 other of your type orders, of course...)

    One thing I do agree with, though, is scrapping the separate functions for introversion/extroversion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluemonday View Post
    That's because you don't understand the theory. The J/P dichotomy is about how you interract with the environment. For an Introvert, this is of secondary importance, therefore, the dominant function for an IJ is actually a perceiving function. That's why introverted Js can sometimes look like Ps and vice versa.
    You didn't read my subsequent posts.

    Even though an IJ is a dominant 'perceiving' type, they don't use 'perceiving' like a P type.

    The 'perceiving' and 'judging' functions don't really go along with the P/J dichotomy. Just the extroverted ones do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bluemonday View Post
    He didn't really believing in typing people, in typologies per se (despite inventing one - typical INTP :rolli

    He was more interested in clinical applications.
    Yes, it appears so. There are type-related things which he admits to not being certain about (e.g. whether functions are innate), but he doesn't seem to think it's important either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flak View Post
    ISFJ:

    Introverted.
    Primary function: Feeling
    Support function: Sensing
    I have always thought I was this, rather than the other way around so this seems right to me. Many of the others you listed seemed more accurate to me too (based on observation).

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    what is the application (besides being another model)? do not take it personally but most of this is implied.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mlittrell View Post
    what is the application (besides being another model)? do not take it personally but most of this is implied.
    Application, eh? What do you think I am, an ENTJ?

    Really though, I wanted to define my notions more clearly than before. That was my motivation. If there's anything this would be good for it's cleaning up all the useless banter on complex function order. Keep It Simple, Stupid, as they say.

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    So, looking at your theory, you could conclude that as introverts develop their functions they become more comfortable using them in an extroverted manner. Thus, for example, INFJs develop their Feeling function first and are more likely to use it extrovertedly.

    Since extroverts are more focused on the external world, this is where they develop their functions and become more comfortable using them introvertedly as they mature.
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    Quote Originally Posted by locke View Post
    So, looking at your theory, you could conclude that as introverts develop their functions they become more comfortable using them in an extroverted manner. Thus, INFJs develop their Feeling function first and are more likely to use it extrovertedly.

    Since extroverts are more focused on the external world, this is where they develop their functions and become more comfortable using them introvertedly as they mature.
    I hadn't considered that. It sounds like the kind of specific extrapolation I was trying to get away from, and I would more likely phrase it as:

    People get better at what they do often.

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    OK, I got my Lenore Thomson back from my sister who stole it (she steals all my books). :steam:

    What do you think of this, Jack?

    "One of the more interesting results of research into psychological types is the finding that each function operates in different area of the brain. Each type not only activates a distinct set of neurological sites but also favors one side of the brain over the other.

    Most of this research has been done with positron-emission tomography, or PET scanning, which allows technicians to see the brain at work. When the brain's nerve cells are active, the body produces enough glucose to support them. Researchers can tell from this increase in glucose which parts of the brains are working hardest when different functions are being used.

    Even the simplest of human skills, of course, requires complex neural connections in many areas of the brain. To speak of a function's locus of activity is an extreme generalization. Roughly speaking, however, PET technology indicates that our functional capacities are distributed as follows:

    Front of Left Brain
    Te
    Fe

    Back of Left Brain
    Si
    Ni

    Front of Right Brain
    Ne
    Se

    Back of Right Brain
    Fi
    Ti


    The Introverted Functions and Brain Hemisphere

    One of the most useful findings of current type research is the surprising fact that Introverted and Extraverted versions of the same functions activate on opposite sides of the brain.
    Extraverted Thinking and Extraverted Feeling activate more areas in the left brain, but Introverted Thinking and Introverted Feeling activate more areas in the right brain.
    Extraverted Sensation and Extraverted Intuition activate more areas in the right brain, but Introverted Sensation and Introverted Intuition activate more areas in the left brain.

    This information is useful for several reasons. for one thing. it makes clear that each function can operate in a right or left brain manner. For another, it suggests that our dominant and secondary functions are compatible because their primary activity takes place in the same brain hemisphere. Indeed, we may resist our less-developed functions, in par, because they require us to process information in an unaccustomed left or right-brain way."

    Like a right-handed person trying to write with his left-hand.
    This makes shed-loads of sense to me.

    It also helps to explain why we tend to see the dominance patterns that we do, and not just random patterns which we would expect if there were no such locus (e.g how many people are Fe/Ne or Fi/Ni dom? - too much 'context-switching'. How many people are Te/Fe? - that part of your brain gets specialized to one thing or the other and the other ends up weaker to the extent that you differentiate).

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