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    Quote Originally Posted by mlittrell View Post
    well in that case i invented this system subconsciously the day i understood the temperaments. im not saying its wrong (or right for that matter), its just the basics of typing people and doesn't really "simplify" anything. the functions are as simple as they can get and the temperaments are...well...the temperaments.
    I beg to differ. If you take an individual with no prior knowledge of type study, show him Keirsey, and this. The average individual will be more adept at understanding than if introduced to MBTI/Jung functions at any point.

    This is just my intuition speaking...

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    if you show him keirsey and not your system it will be just the same. i didn't even mention the functions as far as me learning MBTI. generally i steer away from functions as most people should. functions are just the model for how everything works.

    that is just me speaking...
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    like f(x) = 2x + 2 could be a member of g(x) + h(x) in which it is totally blurred into z(x) = 2(x+1)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Flak View Post
    If it would please you to define something in greater detail, you have that option.
    You're ignoring the fact that there are two poles to each function.

    Your system is oversimplified; it neglects that factor.

    So while it may be an easier system to learn, it just doesn't go as far.

    Your system contains a subset of information that MBTI contains. Nothing new here (except distracting attention from introversion/extroversion); you're only castrating the system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dissonance View Post
    You're ignoring the fact that there are two poles to each function.
    No, I've ignored nothing. It is you who is choosing to ignore the fact that MBTI function theory is far from perfect. We will convince one another of nothing today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dissonance View Post
    You're ignoring the fact that there are two poles to each function.
    But isn't that precisely what he is addressing?

    Quote Originally Posted by dissonance View Post
    Your system is oversimplified; it neglects that factor.

    So while it may be an easier system to learn, it just doesn't go as far.

    Your system contains a subset of information that MBTI contains. Nothing new here (except distracting attention from introversion/extroversion); you're only castrating the system.
    Who's to say that having two poles to each function is necessarily true, or better, or more useful? I don't personally think that it corresponds to reality to any greater degree than any other system (socionics, this one, Keirsey), and I find that it's certainly not helpful in terms of clarifying one's own type, or determining the types of others.

    Your criticism seems to boil down to this: that jack's 'system' doesn't have introverted/extroverted functions like MBTI, therefore it is not any good.
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    you make my head acheing
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orangey View Post
    I don't personally think that it corresponds to reality to any greater degree than any other system (socionics, this one, Keirsey), and I find that it's certainly not helpful in terms of clarifying one's own type, or determining the types of others.

    Your criticism seems to boil down to this: that jack's 'system' doesn't have introverted/extroverted functions like MBTI, therefore it is not any good.
    You may personally think that introversion/extroversion of functions is not useful, while me and Dissonance do.

    Case closed. The end, I guess.






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    I personally think it's kind of awesome that the Judging Primaries are so true to type in their disagreement with it, on average.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haphazard View Post
    You may personally think that introversion/extroversion of functions is not useful, while me and Dissonance do.

    Case closed. The end, I guess.






    Wow. That was anticlimactic.
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