incubustribute
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This post is for anyone who dislikes Kiersey's way of classifying the four temperaments (NF idealist, NT rational, SP artist, SJ guardian). From talking to simulatedworld and by my own experience, I have come up with alternative temperament groupings (that quite possibly have been proposed before). If this is redundant at all or has been previously tried please point it out, but be nice - I'm a beginner 
Instead of grouping via the iNtuitive function dichotomies (NF and NT) and via the Sensing J/P preferences (SJ and SP), I propose a different four groups:
IxxP - The Idealist
IxxJ - The Learner
ExxP - The Explorer
ExxJ - The Leader
Now, these are slightly vague as hell, but let me attempt to clarify what I mean with the groupings (if you weren't quick enough to notice - it's pretty obvious).
The IxxP, by virtue of its functions, will use some form of Ji (introverted judging) as a dominant (leading) functional role. This could be Ti or Fi.
The IxxJ, by virtue of its functions will use some form of Pi (introverted perception) as a leading role, either Si or Ni.
The ExxP will use some form of Pe (extroverted perception) as its leading role, either Ne or Se.
The ExxJ will use some form of Je (extroverted judging) as its lead role, either Te or Fe.
So what these boil down to is the attitude and function one prefers in the lead. I believe knowing the lead role is very telling of one's type and is a better classification than what we use on the forum and what Kiersey proposed. Kiersey's temperaments aren't even consistent with themselves, so we have:
NF (idealist) - indicates only that they use some form of intuition and feeling. The issue is that Ne and Ni are very different, as are Fe and Fi.
NT (rational) - again, indicates only that they use some form of intuition and thinking, but says nothing of the preferred attitude or more importantly, which role they use in the outside world. Ti is VERY different than Te, as Ni is VERY different than Ne.
SJ (guardian) - The only thing this indicates is that the person uses extroverted judging and introverted perceiving, but says nothing of which role leads and which one supports.
SP (artist) - This is the most laughable, mostly because of the "artist" title. Again, extroverted perception and introverted judging says little about one's type unless we know which one leads and which one supports.
I will admit that the last two (SP and SJ) are somewhat more reasonable than the first two because they at least specify the most telling feature that Myers and Briggs graced us with: Judging vs. Perceiving (which one is extroverted). However, the NT and NF at the very least need to be reconsidered. Perhaps NJ and NP would be more indicative.
At any rate, I think the Pi/Pe/Ji/Je classification system is superior to any of these, as it correctly identifies what attitude of judging or perception an individual prefers in their lead role (the lead role being the most telling trait of one's functional analysis).
So here's the fun part where you tell me:
1. incubustribute, thanks! This has helped me a lot!
2. incubustribute, you're an idiot! This has been done 7830458276383 times already!
3. incubustribute, I disagree! And I have a better alternative...
4. incubustribute, I love you! Have my babies!
Instead of grouping via the iNtuitive function dichotomies (NF and NT) and via the Sensing J/P preferences (SJ and SP), I propose a different four groups:
IxxP - The Idealist
IxxJ - The Learner
ExxP - The Explorer
ExxJ - The Leader
Now, these are slightly vague as hell, but let me attempt to clarify what I mean with the groupings (if you weren't quick enough to notice - it's pretty obvious).
The IxxP, by virtue of its functions, will use some form of Ji (introverted judging) as a dominant (leading) functional role. This could be Ti or Fi.
The IxxJ, by virtue of its functions will use some form of Pi (introverted perception) as a leading role, either Si or Ni.
The ExxP will use some form of Pe (extroverted perception) as its leading role, either Ne or Se.
The ExxJ will use some form of Je (extroverted judging) as its lead role, either Te or Fe.
So what these boil down to is the attitude and function one prefers in the lead. I believe knowing the lead role is very telling of one's type and is a better classification than what we use on the forum and what Kiersey proposed. Kiersey's temperaments aren't even consistent with themselves, so we have:
NF (idealist) - indicates only that they use some form of intuition and feeling. The issue is that Ne and Ni are very different, as are Fe and Fi.
NT (rational) - again, indicates only that they use some form of intuition and thinking, but says nothing of the preferred attitude or more importantly, which role they use in the outside world. Ti is VERY different than Te, as Ni is VERY different than Ne.
SJ (guardian) - The only thing this indicates is that the person uses extroverted judging and introverted perceiving, but says nothing of which role leads and which one supports.
SP (artist) - This is the most laughable, mostly because of the "artist" title. Again, extroverted perception and introverted judging says little about one's type unless we know which one leads and which one supports.
I will admit that the last two (SP and SJ) are somewhat more reasonable than the first two because they at least specify the most telling feature that Myers and Briggs graced us with: Judging vs. Perceiving (which one is extroverted). However, the NT and NF at the very least need to be reconsidered. Perhaps NJ and NP would be more indicative.
At any rate, I think the Pi/Pe/Ji/Je classification system is superior to any of these, as it correctly identifies what attitude of judging or perception an individual prefers in their lead role (the lead role being the most telling trait of one's functional analysis).
So here's the fun part where you tell me:
1. incubustribute, thanks! This has helped me a lot!
2. incubustribute, you're an idiot! This has been done 7830458276383 times already!
3. incubustribute, I disagree! And I have a better alternative...
4. incubustribute, I love you! Have my babies!
