I STILL don't understand MBTI.

[Kai]

Originally Posted by Athenian200

Because I fear the negative consequences of failure could be high. In fact, I'd say my entire worldview naturally revolves around avoiding negative consequences...

What are the negative consequences usually like?
Hm. Thread derailed. But anyhow, the point is that by tracing things backwards and backwards, you'll eventually get a fundamental reason. For me my perfectionism is a result of fear of rejection which matches my feeler description.

Are You A Perfectionist?

Failure puts me at the mercy of others, and I'm not so sure I trust them. I guess it's just your standard mistrust/paranoia thing.

Fear enough. (That was a slip on my behalf...)

Eh... it probably is, and I probably need some help with it. But I'm not a practical person, I'm an Intuitive.

Ohhh so evil.
Not the best thing considering that INFJs are supposedly the ones that prescribe advice in counselling services. Right, time to run you out.

Okay, I guess I can accept that. Do you agree that we can never be absolutely sure we've perceived type correctly, though?

Heck. Intellectually I don't believe we can know that the world is not an illusion as mentioned in another thread. Regarding MBTI, it's not possible but I like to think it's possible to get a reasonable accuracy that I might as well round up to 100%. Besides there are loads of stories about how people going to university or changing schools do a 180 on their personality, it's possible that their functions are just manifested differently but equally it's possible that they have gone to the extreme and changed in behaviour and thinking that you might as well type them differently. Hm, I wonder if people here have friends like that.

[raz]

Originally Posted by Kai

Heck. Intellectually I don't believe we can know that the world is not an illusion as mentioned in another thread. Regarding MBTI, it's not possible but I like to think it's possible to get a reasonable accuracy that I might as well round up to 100%. Besides there are loads of stories about how people going to university or changing schools do a 180 on their personality, it's possible that their functions are just manifested differently but equally it's possible that they have gone to the extreme and changed in behaviour and thinking that you might as well type them differently. Hm, I wonder if people here have friends like that.

Habits tend to do that.

[Athenian200]

Originally Posted by Kai

What are the negative consequences usually like?
Hm. Thread derailed. But anyhow, the point is that by tracing things backwards and backwards, you'll eventually get a fundamental reason. For me my perfectionism is a result of fear of rejection which matches my feeler description.

Are You A Perfectionist?

Well, I've never experienced them. But I fear that in the wrong situation, they could range from rejection to physical harm.

Oh, wait... that blog. I only have about half the traits. I'm a perfectionist about work that people I don't trust will see, and possibly selecting things I'm going to rely on to work, but not so much about hobbies, personal goals, or anything like that. I also don't have to "be the best," I just have to avoid failing the task to satisfy my own standards.

Fear enough. (That was a slip on my behalf...)

What was a slip?

Ohhh so evil.
Not the best thing considering that INFJs are supposedly the ones that prescribe advice in counselling services. Right, time to run you out.

Two things:

1. Presumably those are more balanced/healthy INFJs than me.

2. The advice is usually for dealing with the emotional/psychological side of issues, not the practical side of issues.

Heck. Intellectually I don't believe we can know that the world is not an illusion as mentioned in another thread. Regarding MBTI, it's not possible but I like to think it's possible to get a reasonable accuracy that I might as well round up to 100%. Besides there are loads of stories about how people going to university or changing schools do a 180 on their personality, it's possible that their functions are just manifested differently but equally it's possible that they have gone to the extreme and changed in behaviour and thinking that you might as well type them differently. Hm, I wonder if people here have friends like that.

Okay, then. I guess that works for me, then. We can't be sure of type, but let's try to get what we can out of the system anyway, and keep questioning it to see where it leads us. I like it.

[bologna]

Originally Posted by Athenian200

Sorry if I'm getting harsh and repetitive... I'm getting frustrated with everyone claiming something is there that I can't see. It's like having to listen to conversation about how helpful or aesthetic the colors are when you're colorblind.

Lots of people don't fit neatly into one category or another. I could easily be NT or NF myself, and several characteristics of both P and J also fit me.

Most every typing system is based on observation and generalizations.

If MBTI or Kiersey temperaments don't apply to you, don't worry about it. There might be other systems that fit you better. Then again, there might not be.

To that end, I'm exploring others, such as the Enneagram, Big Five, and classic temperaments.

[simulatedworld]

Interpretation #2 is the only way to go.

MBTI is neither objective nor scientific.

[Kai]

Originally Posted by simulatedworld

Interpretation #2 is the only way to go.

MBTI is neither objective nor scientific.

Enough to be statistical?
Or not even enough to fit within the realm of psychology?

[Jeffster]

Originally Posted by Athenian200

Sorry if I'm getting harsh and repetitive... I'm getting frustrated with everyone claiming something is there that I can't see. It's like having to listen to conversation about how helpful or aesthetic the colors are when you're colorblind.

If my posts came off as belittling you for not seeing what I see, then I sincerely apologize. I want to share my experiences because I think they are relevant to the topic and could be valuable. But in no way do I have a "You should get this because it's obvious to me" attitude about it. That's why I created my SP temperament thread, because several people (including you) seemed to be struggling with figuring out just who these crazy SP type people they had heard about really were, and how what was written about us was actually demonstrated in real life, not just stereotypes like you spoke of before. I think the more that people share from personal experience, the more that understanding is possible, and the less we have to rely on theoretical musings.

[SillySapienne]

Neither do I, really.

I took a test, came out as ENFP and was astounded by how spot on the profile was.

I found this forum to be intellectually and socially pleasing, so I joined, but I didn't join and participate because of my belief in, or fascination with, typology.

Human beings are far too complex, I think, to be digested and described by any one system.

I get frustrated because I love this community yet people here, and this is a duh-observation, are obsessed with typology to a point that I find cult-ish.

I am most comfortable talking about types as a whole, i.e. ISTPs and INTJs vs. talking about the actual functions.

Whenever a thread gets too function-intense/oriented I feel as though I am reading Chinese.

I don't know.

I know I am an ENFP, I relate more than I want to accept or believe to most ENFP profiles, but there are so many people who do not fall within the 16 archetypes, yet they hear about MBTI and want to desperately fit into one of them.

Weird!

I don't know.

:/

[poppy]

Originally Posted by CaptainChick

people here...are obsessed with typology to a point that I find cult-ish.

I do wonder (and this is only half-heartedly directed at you CC) if people would consider this level of interest "cult-ish" if it was a more mainstream topic...I mean people will talk about football or tv or whatever this much and more and it's never considered weird. Or perhaps because human nature is so intensely personal, and applying a system to it strikes people as clinical and abnormal?

The way I see it, most of us are just typology nerds. The same way that people are on any forum devoted to a specific subject.

OP: "What's my type threads" are pure silliness. Typing someone over the internet is about impossible. Typing people in real life is a whole 'nother beast, and I think it takes a combination of observation (and application of theory) and "vibes".

I'm more or less "orthodox" when it comes to MBTI, but only within itself as a theory. Once you start applying it to people, there are limits, as there are to anything which attempts to predict, describe, and explain human nature.

I'm sure the same has essentially been said, but I can't be bothered to go through this thread.

[SillySapienne]

Originally Posted by poppy

I do wonder (and this is only half-heartedly directed at you CC) if people would consider this level of interest "cult-ish" if it was a more mainstream topic...I mean people will talk about football or tv or whatever this much and more and it's never considered weird. Or perhaps because human nature is so intensely personal, and applying a system to it strikes people as clinical and abnormal?

The way I see it, most of us are just typology nerds. The same way that people are on any forum devoted to a specific subject.

OP: "What's my type threads" are pure silliness. Typing someone over the internet is about impossible. Typing people in real life is a whole 'nother beast, and I think it takes a combination of observation (and application of theory) and "vibes".

I'm more or less "orthodox" when it comes to MBTI, but only within itself as a theory. Once you start applying it to people, there are limits, as there are to anything which attempts to predict, describe, and explain human nature.

I'm sure the same has essentially been said, but I can't be bothered to go through this thread.

Great post!



I don't know, I have always been fascinated with human nature and psychology, in general.

My first forum that I found solace in was a relationship forum, I loved it there but the mods hated me and I eventually got banned. :/

I definitely think there is something to typology/MBTI, but I do not put nearly as much stock into it as most of the members of this commuinty do, I think, at least.

For example, I have trouble accepting that there are as many Ns out there as is projected by this system.

I am at university, and I would say that 50% of my profs are Ns, thank god! And approximately 10% or 5% of the student body are Ns.

Even my ISTP best friend/boyfriend/perpetual lover/ex seems to exhibit far more N qualities than most people I come across. And I do come across a lot of peeps!

Typing him took me forever.

For all I know he could be a very well adjusted INTP who enjoys the outdoors!

I thirst for connection, and for acquiring new and insightful information.

My dream world would consist of a real life forum where people would discuss personal and theoretical issues all day, everyday.

But, alas, most people seem to be interested in shit I find immensely boring.

I don't know, I digress...