Jeffster
veteran attention whore
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This will probably be another one of the thousands of things I start but never finish, but I am starting it anyway, coo coo cachoo.
I have noticed a bunch of topics on this forum, in the four plus months I have been reading it, where people indicate they don't know any SPs, or if they do, have not gotten to know them at all. The first seems unlikely for most people who actually leave their home, because we're EVERYWHERE. But the second is definitely entirely possible. And my hope is that, through this thread, members (and guests) can perhaps become better educated about what makes us tick, and maybe better able to recognize these traits and behaviors in their friends and relatives, or other people they encounter, either in person or even over the internet.
Also, some members here have voiced the opinion that they have an interest in more topics that actually discuss personality type stuff and less just social gabbing, so I'm hoping this can be a thread they can benefit from, and maybe participate in, if they have anything to add.
I chose to post it here in this section, rather than the SP Arthouse, because I have noticed that there are more people viewing this section (especially guests) than any other, and I hope to make this information available to the greatest number of people, and not just those who are searching every nook and cranny of the forum. Plus, proteanmix said to put it where my heart told me to.
My intent is to go through the description of the SP Artisan in David Keirsey's "Please Understand Me II" and possibly other online descriptions, and illustrate the traits presented with stories from my own life. In many cases, I will paste in stuff I have already posted in various other topics or my blog because they were just so perfect in their relevance that I must make the awesomeness repeat itself here. Other times, I will add in my new thoughts as they have come to me about a particular subject within the main topic.
And for anyone who might think so, no, I have not had this project planned since I joined the forum. It has not been some grand social experiment to do research and then present a report. I think that would be more of an NT thing to do.
This idea came to me no more than a couple weeks ago at the most, and was a spontaneous burst of inspiration like most things I come up with, and not any kind of master plan. I kept meaning to get going on it in the brief time since it came to me, but other things tended to come up.
Questions and comments are welcome, but note that the intention of this thread is not to debate the validity of Keirsey's theories. I'm pretty sure if you want to start a thread on that, it would be welcomed, but please do it in a separate thread.
At times, I may interject info that has more to do with the functions/cognitive processes, even though Keirsey doesn't see a use for them. I do, and they will likely come up, especially the topic of "Extraverted Sensing" since it is the function that all SPs have as one of their first two.
Now, some of you may be saying, "Jeffster, who are you to think you can educate people on this? You're no expert, you're just some spazz from Texas." Well, you've got a point, Invisible Straw Man Within My Post. But, the only authority I claim is that of a guy who has lived for over 32 years, had an abundance of life experiences, social interactions with people, been a son, a brother, a student, an employee, a boss, a mate, a father, a coach, a participant in many forums of discussion, and an observer of many people from many different places, in many different contexts. I don't claim to represent all ISFPs, certainly not all SPs. But I believe that if my unique perspective can benefit anyone, in any way, then in some sense it will have been worth it to try. I don't know how long it will take for me to make it through the main part of my presentation, but I already have quite a bit of material arranged into the relevant parts of my outline-type-thingy, so even if no one else posts anything, I've got plenty to go on for awhile.
So here we go...
I have noticed a bunch of topics on this forum, in the four plus months I have been reading it, where people indicate they don't know any SPs, or if they do, have not gotten to know them at all. The first seems unlikely for most people who actually leave their home, because we're EVERYWHERE. But the second is definitely entirely possible. And my hope is that, through this thread, members (and guests) can perhaps become better educated about what makes us tick, and maybe better able to recognize these traits and behaviors in their friends and relatives, or other people they encounter, either in person or even over the internet.
Also, some members here have voiced the opinion that they have an interest in more topics that actually discuss personality type stuff and less just social gabbing, so I'm hoping this can be a thread they can benefit from, and maybe participate in, if they have anything to add.
I chose to post it here in this section, rather than the SP Arthouse, because I have noticed that there are more people viewing this section (especially guests) than any other, and I hope to make this information available to the greatest number of people, and not just those who are searching every nook and cranny of the forum. Plus, proteanmix said to put it where my heart told me to.

My intent is to go through the description of the SP Artisan in David Keirsey's "Please Understand Me II" and possibly other online descriptions, and illustrate the traits presented with stories from my own life. In many cases, I will paste in stuff I have already posted in various other topics or my blog because they were just so perfect in their relevance that I must make the awesomeness repeat itself here. Other times, I will add in my new thoughts as they have come to me about a particular subject within the main topic.
And for anyone who might think so, no, I have not had this project planned since I joined the forum. It has not been some grand social experiment to do research and then present a report. I think that would be more of an NT thing to do.
Questions and comments are welcome, but note that the intention of this thread is not to debate the validity of Keirsey's theories. I'm pretty sure if you want to start a thread on that, it would be welcomed, but please do it in a separate thread.
At times, I may interject info that has more to do with the functions/cognitive processes, even though Keirsey doesn't see a use for them. I do, and they will likely come up, especially the topic of "Extraverted Sensing" since it is the function that all SPs have as one of their first two.
Now, some of you may be saying, "Jeffster, who are you to think you can educate people on this? You're no expert, you're just some spazz from Texas." Well, you've got a point, Invisible Straw Man Within My Post. But, the only authority I claim is that of a guy who has lived for over 32 years, had an abundance of life experiences, social interactions with people, been a son, a brother, a student, an employee, a boss, a mate, a father, a coach, a participant in many forums of discussion, and an observer of many people from many different places, in many different contexts. I don't claim to represent all ISFPs, certainly not all SPs. But I believe that if my unique perspective can benefit anyone, in any way, then in some sense it will have been worth it to try. I don't know how long it will take for me to make it through the main part of my presentation, but I already have quite a bit of material arranged into the relevant parts of my outline-type-thingy, so even if no one else posts anything, I've got plenty to go on for awhile.
So here we go...