The new and improved Enneagram! From the sponge and evan.

[INTJMom]

Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan

The second variable is in reference to a person's most default mood, or means of emotional management. The turbulent type lets emotions run wild. The suppressive type tries to cut them out. The controlling type tries to pick and choose which it best likes to express.

You should identify with all of them to an extent, because you should possess all of those qualities. The question is which method of approaching your emotions do you default to.

It would be helpful to me if you would elaborate more on the descriptions you put in the first post.

[Magic Poriferan]

Originally Posted by INTJMom

It would be helpful to me if you would elaborate more on the descriptions you put in the first post.

Well, is there any particular aspect of my descriptions that you felt were unclear, or any questions about particular matters that I did not address?

[Mondo]

According to this I am a 4w5w6 and a PIS.


I thought I was a 4w3 but I can definitely relate to Anticipating more than Pursuing- I am not aggressive at all.

My ranking from this is

4>5>6>9>8>1>3>2>7

That means from the conventional Enneagram system, I would have the following wings for each type.

1w9, 2w1, 3w4, 4w5, 5w4, 6w5, 7w6, 8w9, 9w8

[Haphazard]

5>3>9 IPS.

I suppose.

[INTJMom]

Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan

Well, is there any particular aspect of my descriptions that you felt were unclear, or any questions about particular matters that I did not address?

Well, I felt that I equally related to each.
I was hoping for some more differentiation so I could tell them apart better.

[INTJMom]

Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan

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The second variable is one that regards emotional states and responses. They can be turbulent, suppressive, or controlling, for lack of better words.

The turbulent ones are the people that do not hinder their emotions at all. They let their moods tempestuously flare with every feeling as it is set off. Their emotions run wild. They often seem to tilt toward being more negative than positive, but I think this is largely just because there are more negative emotions than positive ones, not because these types particularly want to dwell on negativity. These types are 4, 6, and 8.

The suppressive types try to keep their emotions from speaking up. They tend to believe that they can work best when they are not hearing their emotions much or at all. By default they are well composed people. But when they fail to successfully suppress their emotions, it often results in awkward displays. These types are 1, 3, and 5.

The controlling types are the ones that try to manipulate the flow of their own feelings to their advantage. These are the people that try to think positive. They make an effort to both display desirable emotions to others, and to also frequently reassure themselves of such good feelings. Most usually pick feelings like confidence, happiness, or love to project, but they may develop whatever feeling is appealing to them. They are also prone to suffering from denial, and usually take it very hard if their self-assurances can be completely disproven. These types are 2, 7, and 9.

So, to summarize the types:
Pursuing/Turbulent = 8. Avoiding/Turbulent = 4. Anticipating/Turbulent = 6. Pursuing/Suppressive = 3. Avoiding/Suppressive = 5. Anticipating/Suppressive = 1. Pursuing/Controlling = 7. Avoiding/Controlling = 9. Anticipating/Controlling = 2.

Here's a chart of the types, centering on the 8, to help give you an idea of where they stand.

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This additional picture, centered on the 1, shows you the pattern if the chart was continuously tiled.

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Every type shares one value with four of the other types, and shares no value with the remaining types. As you can see in the charts, a type shares a value with every other type that is on the same row or column. Naturally, a type shares both values only with itself. So as an example, the 1 is anticipating and suppressed, it relates to the 2 and 6 because they are both anticipating, and it relates to the 3 and 5, because they are both suppressed.

Originally Posted by dissonance

Emotion variable:

Turbulent -- emotions take hold; emotional reactions are valid by default.
Suppressing -- emotions get in the way, they should be pushed aside as much as possible.
Controlling -- sort of a midpoint between the two -- emotions are a reality, and need to be thought through and sorted out before choosing how to act on them.

Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan

The second variable is in reference to a person's most default mood, or means of emotional management. The turbulent type lets emotions run wild. The suppressive type tries to cut them out. The controlling type tries to pick and choose which it best likes to express.

You should identify with all of them to an extent, because you should possess all of those qualities. The question is which method of approaching your emotions do you default to.

(Just trying to get all the info in one place.)

[Magic Poriferan]

Originally Posted by INTJMom

Well, I felt that I equally related to each.
I was hoping for some more differentiation so I could tell them apart better.

Hmmm... That's pretty impressive. So none of those three things seem less familiar to you? You don't think any of them is distinctly more common for you to be than the others?

[INTJMom]

Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan

Hmmm... That's pretty impressive. So none of those three things seem less familiar to you? You don't think any of them is distinctly more common for you to be than the others?

turbulent- there was a time when whenever I got angry everyone around me for miles would know about it. I was taught that feelings are not valid.

suppressive- I was taught by my parents that showing my feelings was not okay, so I learned to suppress my feelings
I still do this. If someone yells at me or hurts my feelings, I will continue as though nothing has happened, but as soon as I am alone, I will start crying and thinking about my feelings.

controlling- when I start experiencing feelings, I have to think about them and whether it is okay to express them or not. I used to ask myself, do I have the right to be angry about such-and-such?

[Magic Poriferan]

Originally Posted by INTJMom

turbulent- there was a time when whenever I got angry everyone around me for miles would know about it. I was taught that feelings are not valid.

suppressive- I was taught by my parents that showing my feelings was not okay, so I learned to suppress my feelings
I still do this. If someone yells at me or hurts my feelings, I will continue as though nothing has happened, but as soon as I am alone, I will start crying and thinking about my feelings.

controlling- when I start experiencing feelings, I have to think about them and whether it is okay to express them or not. I used to ask myself, do I have the right to be angry about such-and-such?

This makes it a bit clearer. It sounds to me like you are a suppressive that is secondarily turbulent.

I'm a suppressive type, and yet people do know when I'm angry (not as good at hiding as I think). You have strong emotions, but first and foremost you try to put them down, you don't think you should have strong emotions (or at leasty express them), so you are suppressive. The emotions are still there, of course, and whenever your compulsion to suppress is let down, they simply come pouring out, so you are turbulent.

The reason you are not controlling, is that "controlling" in this case does not simply mean any kind of intervention with your emotions, like suppression would be. At one time, I also called this value the "projecting" value. You see, it is not merely that a controller/projector is trying to subdue their feelings, rather, they intentionally try to project some of them outward, even to extremes beyond what is really being felt. While the suppressing type is putting all emotions down, and the turbulent type is letting them all go, the controlling type is picking and choosing which ones to dampen and which ones to enhance. Often, controllers pick positive emotions to inflate and negative emotions to dampen, hence the characterization of 2s, 7s, and 9s as all being types that have a hard time facing ugly situations. What you refered to as your controlling tendency sounds more like another example of suppression.

Does that make sense?

[INTJMom]

Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan

This makes it a bit clearer. It sounds to me like you are a suppressive that is secondarily turbulent.

I'm a suppressive type, and yet people do know when I'm angry (not as good at hiding as I think). You have strong emotions, but first and foremost you try to put them down, you don't think you should have strong emotions (or at leasty express them), so you are suppressive. The emotions are still there, of course, and whenever your compulsion to suppress is let down, they simply come pouring out, so you are turbulent.

The reason you are not controlling, is that "controlling" in this case does not simply mean any kind of intervention with your emotions, like suppression would be. At one time, I also called this value the "projecting" value. You see, it is not merely that a controller/projector is trying to subdue their feelings, rather, they intentionally try to project some of them outward, even to extremes beyond what is really being felt. While the suppressing type is putting all emotions down, and the turbulent type is letting them all go, the controlling type is picking and choosing which ones to dampen and which ones to enhance. Often, controllers pick positive emotions to inflate and negative emotions to dampen, hence the characterization of 2s, 7s, and 9s as all being types that have a hard time facing ugly situations. What you referred to as your controlling tendency sounds more like another example of suppression.

Does that make sense?

Yeah, except that I was taught to suppress them, and the enneagram is something I'm supposed to have learned in infancy.
The other problem is that Xander says I'm not a five.
Though I relate to a lot of the stuff, I'm actually more of a four,
according to this guy's definitions:
The Enneagram Type Test