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Old 09-30-2008, 06:35 PM   #181 (permalink)
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In my experience, Ps are usually more laid back. Admittedly, I have most of that experience with SJs.

What kind of P "hates forever"?
are we still talking about ENFPs v. ENFJs? It's not about laid back or uptight. It's not even about which wants most to influence. It's about the ability to live with differences without castigating the different person or casting him/her as messed up because s/he may think differently.

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What kind of P "hates forever"?

The ENFP will not necessarily mean it, but will think nothing of saying it because they feel like it. They may think differently later (that inconstancy), but not everybody appreciates the outbursts (*raises hand*).
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Old 09-30-2008, 06:46 PM   #182 (permalink)
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are we still talking about ENFPs v. ENFJs? It's not about laid back or uptight. It's not even about which wants most to influence. It's about the ability to live with differences without castigating the different person or casting him/her as messed up because s/he may think differently.
And ENFPs do that? I wouldn't have thought it. Not that ENFJs do it, but surprised ENFPs do.

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The ENFP will not necessarily mean it, but will think nothing of saying it because they feel like it. They may think differently later (that inconstancy), but not everybody appreciates the outbursts (*raises hand*).
ESFJ/ENFJ - lead with Fe. Why wouldn't they be more prone to outbursts? Better control of that lead Fe?
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Old 09-30-2008, 06:49 PM   #183 (permalink)
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how dare you ! you really know how to insult an INTP !

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And ENFPs do that? I wouldn't have thought it. Not that ENFJs do it, but surprised ENFPs do.
Read MOAR ENFP. I never expected it - I thought the one ENFP IRL was just being her, but more often than not when I read something along those lines and check the type -- voila: ENFP strikes again. Keep an eye out for the more subtle framing of the criticism in terms of "underdeveloped" and "unhealthy". Perhaps we don't have enough ENFJs around here. The ENFJ with whom I'm pretty close IRL rarely does that. He'll suggest something or tell you why he thinks you're wrong, but it is done more diplomatically and sympathetically.

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ESFJ/ENFJ - lead with Fe. Why wouldn't they be more prone to outbursts? Better control of that lead Fe?
That may be precisely the thing. Maybe their lead Fe considers the feelings of the other person and modulates their reactions for the partner's sake. ENFPs typically have auxiliary Fi, which is more concerned with how an action feels to them, not other people.
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He'll suggest something or tell you why he thinks you're wrong, but it is done more diplomatically and sympathetically.
If he does that without being asked "would you suggest something? do you think I'm wrong?" it's not very accepting, even if he doesn't use profanity.
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If he does that without being asked "would you suggest something? do you think I'm wrong?" it's not accepting, even if he doesn't use profanity.
I have a looser view of accepting. I can accept something while thinking of ways to improve it. This is a far cry from "WTF how could you possibly do/think/say that?!?!?!". i.e.: rejecting.
Besides, because of the long term considerate attitude, I'm more likely to view it as coming from a place of concern for me, not from a simple dislike for the way I've thought of/done something as incompatible with his values.
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how dare you ! you really know how to insult an INTP !

Forever - takes - too - long
15k posts over there...

I (and most INTPs) can't be bothered with grudges. So I'm going to assume you meant "i don't" in your previous post.
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I can accept something while thinking of ways to improve it.
Doesn't it scare you? Dealing with evil forces?
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