Archetypes of the Functions

[PinkPiranha]

Originally Posted by EJCC

Jeez, how do you know all this??? I feel like such a n00b. I obviously know about the first 4, but how do you find out the other ones?

Very simple!

Your functions as an ESTJ are: Se, Ti, Ne, Fi so your descending functions are : Si, Te, Ni, Fe

So, it'll look like this: Se, Ti, Ne, Fi, Si, Te, Ni, Fe.

Basically, the flipside of your first four functions!

[EJCC]

Originally Posted by PinkPiranha

Very simple!

Your functions as an ESTJ are: Se, Ti, Ne, Fi so your descending functions are : Si, Te, Ni, Fe

So, it'll look like this: Se, Ti, Ne, Fi, Si, Te, Ni, Fe.

Basically, the flipside of your first four functions!

I thought my functions were (in order) Te, Si, Ne and Fi. So then it would be Te, Si, Ne, Fi, Ti, Se, Ni, Fe?

Okay, I get it now! So here's mine, then, with descriptions according to the site, and my personal thoughts:

Hero - Te: "Telling others what to do that really helps" (OH yeah.)
Good parent - Si: "Remembering things for others" (having a good memory? what does this mean?)
Puer/puella aeternus - Ne: "Take things up for a while" (I definitely have phases!)
Anima/Animus - Fi: "Telling others what to do may appear bullying at times, but actually I have a soft core of important values" (very true)
Opposing - Ti: "Of course you can think everything through until death" (?)
Witch/Senex - Se: "Blocking others' proposed actions" (bubble-burster!!)
Trickster - Ni: "That's just superstition!" (?)
Demon - Fe: "Disregarding other peoples feelings; being manipulative" (sadly true... at my worst moments, I feel like I don't care about anyone but myself)

Any thoughts??

[Jack Flak]

Yeah, I think the ESTJ is supposedly Te.

[EJCC]

Originally Posted by Jack Flak

Yeah, I think the ESTJ is supposedly Te.

LOL!! Yes, I have heard tell that ESTJs boss everyone around and think telling the absolute truth is more important than caring about people's feelings. Just a rumor

[Evan]

Originally Posted by EJCC

Jeez, how do you know all this??? I feel like such a n00b. I obviously know about the first 4, but how do you find out the other ones?

i like to think of the other 4 as rolled up into the first four.

to me, it seems that there are actually only four functions, and there's a spectrum of introversion to extroversion on each. each function tends to very much prefer extroversion or introversion, but both are present to some extent.

[Eric B]

Originally Posted by EJCC

IGood parent - Si: "Remembering things for others" (having a good memory? what does this mean?)

Think of it this way. You've already taken in experiences through the senses. Now, they're inside. When, you bring them up from inside, through "memory", you're using introverted Sensing.

Opposing - Ti: "Of course you can think everything through until death" (?)

Trickster - Ni: "That's just superstition!" (?)

Any thoughts??

Yeah; these are two more that are vague.

Jeez, how do you know all this??? I feel like such a n00b. I obviously know about the first 4, but how do you find out the other ones?

John Beebe's lectures, and how much of the information is leaked out in Berens' books, or the links such as the ones I've posted.

[EJCC]

Originally Posted by Eric B

Think of it this way. You've already taken in experiences through the senses. Now, they're inside. When, you bring them up from inside, through "memory", you're using introverted Sensing.

What I meant was, what do they mean by remembering things FOR OTHERS? I know that I get more caught up in my memories than most people do, but that doesn't have anything to do with the "for others" part.

[Eric B]

That would be like remembering birthdays, remembering things people like and buying them as gifts, etc.

[EJCC]

Oh wow. I feel dumb. I was reading into that phrase way too much, like it had some sort of metaphorical meaning...

But yeah, I suppose I do that. I'm always the one reminding people of things, and remembering small things that were said that no one else remembers. I never thought of that as anything unusual before now.

[Evan]

Originally Posted by Eric B

Think of it this way. You've already taken in experiences through the senses. Now, they're inside. When, you bring them up from inside, through "memory", you're using introverted Sensing.

i find that to be a misleading way of thinking about Si. introverted sensing can directly take in information from the environment as long as that information is relevant to the internal standard (current thought processes/unconscious tendencies).

and extroverted sensing can remember past sensory data as long as that data is relevant to the current external standard (current external situation).

sensing is just sensing. introversion and extroversion just refer to the weighting. Se goes along with the environment, essentially clearing the cache each time a new piece comes in -- each new piece of sensory data is given equal weight. Si pays more or less attention to new data depending on the internal relevance of that data.