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    Quote Originally Posted by highlander View Post
    It is an interesting point. I recall Dario Nardi saying that when he did testing of brain patterns on INTJs and ISFPs, as they got older, it was hard to tell the difference between the two of them. They started looking alike.
    Makes sense that that would happen. You'd hope people balanced out in some ways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by five sounds View Post
    Her: talks about what people said and did at work. Goes into details about specifics of actions that she uses to draw conclusions about who and what is problematic.

    Me: talks about the dynamics of the forces in my life and how they're effecting me. Goes into details about types of interactions and sources of support or taxation that I use to draw conclusions about what needs attention and what is going well.
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    yeah, i think it seems to SPs like we're not really talking about anything when to us we're digging into the meat of our thoughts.

    i feel the same way listening to SPs. all those details that you all seem to go into are the things i casually pass through my brain on my own and feel no need to get into, because they only serve as bits of support to the actual point: which is the synthesis of the underlying themes of the tangible events.

    iow, we each take the thing the other person spends their time picking apart for granted. i believe though that SPs can offer NPs a smack-in-the-face as far as how some things really are powerful on their own, and of the importance of dealing with the here and now as a way to effect change on the big picture. on the flip side, i think NPs can offer SPs some face-smackage about the larger patterns their events are showing, and how dealing with each one as an individual issue won't change the larger source of frustration.
    Sometimes it is the case that the N is simply talking about abstract matters and the S is simply talking concrete matters, but I’ve noticed that sometimes S types are just using concrete examples to hint at the underlying concepts or patterns they see instead of articulating it directly using abstract language like Ns usually prefer. To an N who prefers abstract communication, it can look like the S has no point and is just focusing on trivialities/details, when in reality they may just be more comfortable expressing the abstractions in their mind in an indirect way using concrete language.

    Maybe this has nothing to do with the interactions you’re describing - it’s just something I’ve seen enough that I thought it was worth mentioning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lumi View Post
    Sometimes it is the case that the N is simply talking about abstract matters and the S is simply talking concrete matters, but I’ve noticed that sometimes S types are just using concrete examples to hint at the underlying concepts or patterns they see instead of articulating it directly using abstract language like Ns usually prefer. To an N who prefers abstract communication, it can look like the S has no point and is just focusing on trivialities/details, when in reality they may just be more comfortable expressing the abstractions in their mind in an indirect way using concrete language.

    Maybe this has nothing to do with the interactions you’re describing - it’s just something I’ve seen enough that I thought it was worth mentioning.
    I think I do use concrete language pretty much all the time, I actually don't see much point in doing otherwise because I want to be comprehensible. I'm pretty sure I do what you say, in that I'll use examples or situations to point towards something larger, though I think probably the 'larger' is left unsaid, or I hint at it with my voice drifting off. Ni people usually know immediately what I'm alluding to, and that's probably a fail on my part with Ne people, assuming they'll pick up on it. I think it's true though, I keep most of the larger patterns/etc in my head; from my pov, what good is talking about a larger pattern without the examples, the tangibles, to support it? I think everything for me starts with observations, which are what substantiates a 'trend' anyway.

    Actually I hardly ever give details, I have found NeSi to do a lot more detail sharing. I suspect though 'detail' is being thought of differently between different people. From my pov, NeSi can go on and on forever with details of particular things they're describing, and adding more 'detail' doesn't add anything new (from my pov) to the underlying thing being discussed. Whereas I'll just make succinçt observations or 'summaries' of what happened, which leaves a lot of people feeling completely devoid of anything, ie I don't give enough info to complete the picture they are wanting to hear about.

    I don't know, we're all different in how we talk and what we stress/find important. What I mention will seem trivial to a lot of people, just like what other people talk about might seem pointless and repetitive to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfy View Post
    Makes sense that that would happen. You'd hope people balanced out in some ways.
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    Well in my experience. I have two female friends that im close with. One i met 15 years ago and the other I met last year and both got INTJ but one took a myer brigg test and other socionics if i understood right. I notice we seem to balance each other out after we get to know each other enjoying each other Introvert side. I enjoy there company except sometimes i wish they would be more patient with people lol. It cute to see when they start to show there concerns for people or animals cause it doesnt happened much and I enjoy getting them to be silly also.

    There the only ones so far that doesnt seem to have a problem with me being quiet and somedays i can be really quiet. I appreciate that they tolerate it lol. With the one i met last year she is like a sister that i never had (don't have a sister) and so far were compatable roommates. I enjoy INTJ friendship as a friend or family but honestly I wouldn't be interested in dating one.

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