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    Entps have a high tolerance for and interest in complex problems and if it's important to them, have the skills to allow the infj to feel understood and get them to verbalize their thoughts and feelings more easily as well as draw them out of themselves. They also are good at getting them to try new things that they wouldn't on their own and infjs appreciate someone who is able to do that.

    Entps can quickly read people and get a grasp of what it is that motivates them. They also not just tolerate, but enjoy solving problems in the relationship and can be very creative with finding ways to develop new layers of meaning in the relationship. I think that with infjs, there is less pressure to always be "on", than there is around other people, partly because the entp has more to engage with, and because the infj wants to get to know more sides to them and shows an interest in that part of them rather than just the caricature version of them.
    Good points. INFJs can be very private with who they really are. Seems to me that INFJs have ideas upon ideas swirling in their heads but find it difficult to verbalize sometimes what Ni is cooking up. I think INFJs tire and grow uncomfortable if they have to explain who they are to others. What works with ENxPs is exactly what you said. We have a knack for sizing up people with relative accuracy and 'get' them without having to be owed a deep exposure of their 'inner self.' A base understanding might quickly be formulated from the get-go which makes growing a relationship easier. It's nice to start a project with the right tools instead of the wrong ones.

    Infjs I think serve as a bit of a stabilizing force. Their Ni makes a nice counterpoint to the entp's ne and they see things in a novel way, which entps appreciate. They often can reach similar outcomes but get their in completely different ways, which both find interesting to investigate. I think infjs serve as a good sounding board for entps, which they often don't have, and allow for them to explore ideas and feelings in a way that rarely happens with others. I appreciate both cleverness and a bit of bluntness (not possessing either quality in the way they do), and I think entps like having someone recognize their strengths beyond solely their value as entertainers.
    I think ENTPs do the stabilizing for INFJs in this relationship actually.

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    Hm, yeah I thought about that and I think they provide different kinds of stability for one another. I don't have a huge experience base to draw from but I think infjs in some way not only offer some sober second thought, but also because by nature they are more staid maybe they serve as kite string holders for the entp. In my case at least, I can't fly myself, but I sure do love to be a part of the process.

    I found that from an emotional point of view, it is extremely rare for me to be understood by someone or to feel listened to and I need to talk to even become aware of what I'm feeling. This entp at least was an exceptionally good friend to the few people he chose to invest deeply in and in my case, I often found myself responding with more emotion than I realized I felt as I talked with him about some things. He was good at listening without superimposing his own self or ideas or solutions, for which I was deeply grateful. It felt very natural and right to be emotionally naked in front of him in a way I rarely am with anyone, and I think he shared parts of himself with me that his other people don't often see either.

    In both cases we were deeply interested in getting to know the other person, which few people really are. For both types, I think the process of talking helps spark new thinking or clarifies stuff about ourselves that we couldn't have arrived at without that process. Anyone who can do that for me is someone I will deeply appreciate and respect.

    I think one of the main reasons I considered even the possibility of a relationship despite many strikes against it in practical terms was that he had anticipated how I would feel and looked at viable ways for how those factors could be addressed. He also put considerable thought into how he would make his feelings known in a way that would both appeal to me and be clear, yet indirect enough that it wasn't a big ultimatum or immediate decision. The fact that he knew me that well counted for a lot.
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    ENTPs I know have a great combination of enthusiasm and level-headed reasonability. I think it's the sexiest MBTI type, in a general sense. They're easy to get along with and relatively hard to offend; they tend to handle conflict and disagreement directly and matter-of-factly. That's a great quality to emulate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fidelia View Post
    but also because by nature they are more staid maybe they serve as kite string holders for the entp. In my case at least, I can't fly myself, but I sure do love to be a part of the process.
    Nice, I often use this metaphor too.

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    ENTP's usually are alright, but they don't much care for moralization attempts, in my experiences. Also, the females seem to derp on how to transition into relationships. Usually goes well when just having a friendly, and open conversation.

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    The way my ENTP mom and INFJ neighbor interact.

    She pays him to cut the grass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingOfTheRoad View Post
    Watch and learn...



    No, no... The ENTP negotiates a free deal by walking outside with a glass of iced tea looking their best when the neighbor's yard is being mowed and waves at the mowerman, handing him the iced tea. Since nothing can be heard over the sound of the mower, the mowerman gestures at the ENTP's yard and the ENTP shakes her head yes. The neighbor's mower man drops what he's doing on the neighbor's yard and mows the ENTP's yard. The ENTP goes inside the house to retrieve a tip, gets side-tracked, and returns a half hour later and the mowerman is already gone.


    I don't think it matters as long as the ENTP isn't under a lot of stress when you're doing it. If you think moralization helps the ENTP become a better version of themselves and excel at life, then moralize your heart out. I'm guessing they'll appreciate constructive advice.


    Is there an INFJ translator in the house?
    Super cool that you replied to my post, but I don't understand what you're trying to say. Sounds funny though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingOfTheRoad View Post
    Watch and learn...

    No, no... The ENTP negotiates a free deal by walking outside with a glass of iced tea looking their best when the neighbor's yard is being mowed and waves at the mowerman, handing him the iced tea. Since nothing can be heard over the sound of the mower, the mowerman gestures at the ENTP's yard and the ENTP shakes her head yes. The neighbor's mower man drops what he's doing on the neighbor's yard and mows the ENTP's yard. The ENTP goes inside the house to retrieve a tip, gets side-tracked, and returns a half hour later and the mowerman is already gone.

    I don't think it matters as long as the ENTP isn't under a lot of stress when you're doing it. If you think moralization helps the ENTP become a better version of themselves and excel at life, then moralize your heart out. I'm guessing they'll appreciate constructive advice.

    Is there an INFJ translator in the house?
    Well, lemme rephrase that. They don't like learning morality by positive or negative punishment, but rather by positive or negative reinforcement. Maybe it's simply positive or negative, though. Hadn't thought about it that much before, but they definitely don't do well with positive punishment in my experiences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy8419 View Post
    Well, lemme rephrase that. They don't like learning morality by positive or negative punishment, but rather by positive or negative reinforcement. Maybe it's simply positive or negative, though. Hadn't thought about it that much before, but they definitely don't do well with positive punishment in my experiences.
    Explain positive punishment...i read S&M. Ball gag, whip, torture through pleasure.
    Im out, its been fun

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