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    Quote Originally Posted by Animal View Post
    Interesting.

    I find it easier to talk to the people I actually want to talk to over internet, though not always easy. IRL it's hard.. my heart starts fluttering too much. I wonder what this is like for ENTJ's and ESTJ's who have inferior Fi. It's probably worse for them. But with Fi in such a position they might fail to comprehend it and express it in words the way ENFP's do.
    I used to be like this until it hit me how much felt information and messages I MISSED while communicating by text only, which resulted in some conflicts. Maybe I am just crap at reading others when they are not in front of me, but now talking online is less comfortable than in person.

    I have considered negative sx-dominance for my type...the memories that the descriptions of sx 4 bring up are the earliest and most basic. If typing was only about what we are like in our home spaces with our intimates, I would be Sx dominant unquestionably. It was the way I saw the world and other people.

    But there was a hard line at the front door from even the earliest age. Once out in public, I would become the polar opposite sort of kid: no longer a fighter, quiet, timid, irresistibly breakable, a lot like the really yucky so-dom descriptions. Competitive rage magically...gone. Inside, I was in love with love itself and always, even in gradeschool, was transfixed by particular beautiful people, but I never let that on to anybody. Didn't even date. I had intense interests that would occasionally leak when I burned myself out on them. Ridiculously...I could be wedded to something like, say...math? An art series? Merely an idea? To the point where working at them could push me to tears or doing dumb shit like sleeping 8 hours total a school week or drastically changing schools based on an inspiration I'd had earlier the same day (to somewhere I had no chance to survive in, of course)...ironically yet unsurprisingly I was at times ejected violently from any chance to seriously pursue something I loved because of emotional burnout converting to physical breaks. From the outside...few knew. May God have finally given peace to those who did!

    No clue in hell why the extreme split. It still exists in adulthood, though my public mode is more sp-like, stony. I'd need to be convinced hardcore that such a public/private personality burnslash could be compatible with sx before I'd claim the instinct as anything but last again. When I read about sx 4, I see indomitable. That person wouldn't let themselves be silenced by the world. I did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by unsung View Post
    Expert use of the smoke emoticon.


    …let's just say I'm perfectly happy with my track record thus far.
    And I'm 19, btw.



    Expert... albeit puritanical use of Edvard Munch's painting...
    Malmo Art Museum, Sweden.

    Ummmm...yah...I was just kidding with regards to the 'age 14' comment. I thought you were a good deal older than 19... yah.


    I have been in love before. Once. I was too crippled by doubt and anxious about my inexperience to take the first step, though. That sucked, but at least it taught to never be hesitant with girls I'm attracted to, so it was probably more good than bad for me. Falling in love has never happened to me since. Attraction is a whole other thing though, and more like the "moth to flame" thing you read about in Sx descriptions, being drawn to whoever's exciting and whatever. But hardly being able to stand up because your whole body is folding double thinking about a certain girl? Hasn't happened in a long time.
    I'm going to try and come up with a good answer for Zarathustra pertaining to what happens to "ENFPs in love" and may end up quoting this paragraph all over again but for my own questions...

    I do understand the sx "moth to the flame" thing... it's just that physical attractiveness alone is not enough "flame" for me. And so just to be absolutely certain in what you're saying... is finding someone physically attractive all the "exciting" you need to be drawn to them and have sex with them? Or is more needed like they need to have an intriguing personality or whatever (<-I think a lot of guys are like this...I've just never met an ENFP male that is this way so it's interesting to me.) And what do you do...do you have purely sexual but longer term relationships with women? Or do you just sleep with someone once and move on? Do you go out to dinner with these girls haha...talk to them get to know them....how long does the instinctual pull normally last for you? And what if the female developed deeper than instinctual feelings for you? (I hope it's obvious that you don't have to answer these questions...i really appreciated what you have answered as well.)


    If I don't completely misremember, both 7 and 8 are the types most out of touch with their feelings, so it wouldn't surprise me if this is common among 7w8's and 8w7's.
    ^^I'm thinking on this...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Misty View Post
    I used to be like this until it hit me how much felt information and messages I MISSED while communicating by text only, which resulted in some conflicts. Maybe I am just crap at reading others when they are not in front of me, but now talking online is less comfortable than in person.
    I agree with this. Words are often used to obscure the truth whereas body language, gestures, and nuances are what reveal the truth.

    It's because I can hide behind the screen and express myself more "as I choose" that I'm a bit more comfortable talking to crushes. It's not that I'm dishonest, it's just that I have less shame about my obvious infatuation spilling out from my facial expression and gestures. (Realistically this happens with crushes IRL whether I speak to them or not, but attempting to speak just makes it worse.)

    When I read about sx 4, I see indomitable. That person wouldn't let themselves be silenced by the world. I did.
    I am absolutely indomitable.

    Just because it's difficult for me to march up and talk doesn't mean I don't avidly chase what I want. Make no mistake. :P There are many ways to lure someone in besides having a conversation. Performing locally, wearing the outfits that express who I am, eye contact, body language. I've never just "let someone go" because it was difficult to simply walk up and flirt with them. The problem is, I alone am not enough, in that scenario. Only super-me is enough. I have to be more me than me, and show him something beyond the every day, normal me. This way I stand apart from the rest.

    Indomitable is a word I would use to describe myself if I had to do it in ten words. I had a music career as a teen and lost my voice to an illness at 16, which left me speaking in a whisper. I still sang lead on my own album in my late 20s, which I produced, wrote, etc - but sang lead through my whisper. This was a major battle, no easy feat, and required major lifestyle changes, living in a city, working my ass off at various endeavors to support it, leading and managing and booking the band, balancing my health needs and so much more. Nothing was going to silence my voice. After that my illness got worse again and the small amount of voice I had , has been gone for about three years, so I am writing a novel, conquering my health issues, barely leaving the house and giving my absolute all to my novel & health, and biding my time before I can record the next two albums. Nothing stops me from expressing myself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Animal View Post
    Didn't realize that was an ENFP thing.. interesting. Why would that relate to ENFP?

    I am exactly like this. My type 1 friend has been making fun of me for this since highschool, and I still haven't gotten much better. She said once to a group: "How do you know if [Animal] likes you? … She's flirting with everyone in the room but you. "
    omg me too

    like everyone would think it was someone else. it's really bizarre.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady_X View Post
    omg me too

    like everyone would think it was someone else. it's really bizarre.
    Why does this happen though in your opinion...? I have some ideas that I'm attempting to put into words...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Starry View Post
    Why does this happen though in your opinion...? I have some ideas that I'm attempting to put into words...
    idk...honestly i can only really remember this happening a couple times...i guess it's just nerves? or maybe i'm just feeling something too intensely to talk. it's like the energy over here is too much and i'm going to throw up so i'm just going to bounce it around the room everywhere else.

    haha no really idk let me think on it.
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    chronically desexed ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady_X View Post
    omg me too

    like everyone would think it was someone else. it's really bizarre.
    Haha. I'm not sure if my luck was that good. Usually people figured me out but I still couldn't get it together.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lady_X View Post
    idk...honestly i can only really remember this happening a couple times...i guess it's just nerves? or maybe i'm just feeling something too intensely to talk. it's like the energy over here is too much and i'm going to throw up so i'm just going to bounce it around the room everywhere else.

    haha no really idk let me think on it.
    Hahaha. I kind of know what you mean on that

    I get overwhelmed by the energy.
    But also I get EXTREMELY self conscious. Like I imagine what I look like through his eyes and it's never good enough, never as good as he looks through my eyes. Or I just EXPECT to get rejected, for no real reason.. I just feel disgusting and worthless and stupid, like nothing I say is interesting enough. "The fantasy of being rejected leads to the very behavior that gets me rejected" basically.
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    You animal *rawr*
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    Quote Originally Posted by Animal View Post
    Haha. I'm not sure if my luck was that good. Usually people figured me out but I still couldn't get it together.


    Hahaha. I kind of know what you mean on that

    I get overwhelmed by the energy.
    But also I get EXTREMELY self conscious. Like I imagine what I look like through his eyes and it's never good enough, never as good as he looks through my eyes. Or I just EXPECT to get rejected, for no real reason.. I just feel disgusting and worthless and stupid, like nothing I say is interesting enough. "The fantasy of being rejected leads to the very behavior that gets me rejected" basically.
    okay interesting...that's like the type 4 version of sxness

    type 7 just feels manic or spazzy or incapable of dealing with it atm
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