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    Quote Originally Posted by senza tema View Post
    How do you feel about these things?

    - Civic events/actions like elections and voting
    important, but not because i see it as a social action. important because of my idealism and the personal importance i give to politics (fi?!)

    - Holidays and festivals (whatever is commonly celebrated in your part of the world)
    it's great. days off work.
    - Other community or social norms, rituals and events that have struck you as not being amazingly vapid
    i don't give a shit. christmas is nice because i get to fly back home and be with the people i love. but it could be the celebration of the birth of mickey mouse for all i care.

    Have you had any positive experiences or feelings about any of these things? What have they been like? Why do you think you enjoyed them?
    actually, one thing i've always enjoyed is gatherings of many people (e.g. demonstrations; music festivals, etc). i like it because i get the sense that everyone is there for the same reason, so there is a shared basic level of human-interconnectiveness. i think this also stems from me being quite idealistic though (fi?) i don't know if it's connected with so?

    I'm mostly looking for responses from so-last people over the age of 25 because I feel that a.) the personality is pretty solid by then and b.) because they should have outgrown the teens and early twenties brand of self-absorption but young 'uns, you can respond, too, if you want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by senza tema View Post
    How do you feel about these things?
    - Civic events/actions like elections and voting
    I feel as though I should participate in these for all sorts of good reasons, but in actuality I just vote in major elections. I think it's important to do your share in influencing decisions which influence others' lives.
    Quote Originally Posted by senza tema View Post
    - Holidays and festivals (whatever is commonly celebrated in your part of the world)
    I like them, though I don't feel obligated to participate. Any sort of obligation would come from others expecting me to.
    Quote Originally Posted by senza tema View Post
    - Other community or social norms, rituals and events that have struck you as not being amazingly vapid
    I try to understand their purpose and act according to whether I think they are useful. Many things like norms of politeness and friendliness I think do produce good results whether people know it or not, but I'm not as conscious of them as I could be and think some aren't really necessary. Mostly I see norms as tools to navigate society.
    Quote Originally Posted by senza tema View Post
    Have you had any positive experiences or feelings about any of these things? What have they been like? Why do you think you enjoyed them?
    I enjoy it when people are polite and friendly to me and I like being polite and friendly to other people, in moderate amounts. It makes me feel like we care about each other. I like feeling like strangers care about me.

    I really like holidays when I can celebrate with family and friends. It makes me feel connected. I like to feel connected to groups.

    I'm pretty sure I'm So last, but So types of things are important to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by senza tema View Post
    How do you feel about these things?

    - Civic events/actions like elections and voting
    Important, kinda, although I'm not really a fan of the current system or its representatives (is anyone, anywhere?!), I'm well aware that my vote is usually completely meaningless, and I'm not sure it's a good thing for people to be voting when they're uninformed, which includes me. Still, I have always voted federally and usually vote municipally as well.


    - Holidays and festivals (whatever is commonly celebrated in your part of the world)
    I like them if they're fun for their own merits (christmas lights are pretty), time off is nice, and I like fun traditions established by my friend group (ex: annual soccer+BBQ on Canada Day), but otherwise I don't really care or celebrate much. I do basically the bare minimum for Christmas, really dislike the whole presents thing in general (birthdays too), and don't decorate. This would probably change if children were in the picture, of course. I'd probably celebrate more but still not really care. If I'm home alone over any particular holiday I don't really think about the holiday at all.

    - Other community or social norms, rituals and events that have struck you as not being amazingly vapid
    I don't really know what this means. There are lots of good things that are social norms - they just need to have some kind of merit of their own beyond "tradition".
    -end of thread-

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    Quote Originally Posted by senza tema View Post
    I'm mostly looking for responses from so-last people over the age of 25
    What's a "so-last people"?

    Quote Originally Posted by senza tema View Post
    - Civic events/actions like elections and voting
    Necessary evil, at least for the current type of government. I've only voted twice (mostly to try it out), but a single voter has no effect on results.

    Quote Originally Posted by senza tema View Post
    - Holidays and festivals (whatever is commonly celebrated in your part of the world)
    I like the days off from work, but don't celebrate festivals except for christmas and midsummer. On the otherhand I dislike mid-week holidays. If thursday is a day off and friday is not, it's both annoying and inefficient for everyone.

    Quote Originally Posted by senza tema View Post
    - Other community or social norms, rituals and events that have struck you as not being amazingly vapid
    I dislike most of social rituals and events. One of the reasons we skipped our own weddings and merely went to a magistrate and then for a dinner.

    Quote Originally Posted by senza tema View Post
    Have you had any positive experiences or feelings about any of these things? What have they been like? Why do you think you enjoyed them?
    No, not really. I find most of them utterly boring and uninteresting.
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    I try to vote, but I'm not as involved in civic action as a person probably should be.

    I don't care much for holidays except that I can earn money during them as a musician. I have mixed feelings about holidays and often find them disturbing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by senza tema View Post
    - Civic events/actions like elections and voting
    I largely agree with what randomnity wrote. I do vote, though I'm skeptical anyone is really as informed as they think they are- including myself. Most of the people I know seem to have a position based on their social circles more than actual open-minded research, and that skepticism makes it difficult for me to pay too much attention. (I pay far more attention to the theories about what makes people react they way they do to civic events/actions than I do to civic events/actions in themselves.)


    - Holidays and festivals (whatever is commonly celebrated in your part of the world)
    - Other community or social norms, rituals and events that have struck you as not being amazingly vapid

    Have you had any positive experiences or feelings about any of these things? What have they been like? Why do you think you enjoyed them?

    Christmas never meant much to me (I guess it did when I was little, can't rightly remember how much) until I had a son. And any positive feeling I get from it- or a few other holidays- has everything to do with what made/makes him happy about the rituals/events that come with it. I love trying to surprise him by customizing certain aspects as much as possible (to show that I see *him*, and I see what makes him happy). I don't have any attachment to any particular rituals per se on my own, I don't think- I just love participating in the ones that I know people close to me love participating in.
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